The timing and the circumstances of death are always perfect

NEALE: This idea of using death as a tool is brand new to me. A tool is something that one uses on purpose, it seems to me. It’s something that one wants to use. But I don’t want to die. Nobody wants to die.

GOD: Everybody wants to die.

NEALE: Everybody wants to die?

GOD: Of course, or nobody would. Do you think that dying is something that occurs against your will?

NEALE: It sure seems that way to plenty of people.

GOD: Nothing occurs against your will. That is impossible. So here is…The Third Remembrance: You cannot die against your will.

NEALE: That is so comforting. That is so wonderfully healing for me to know. Yet how can I embrace this as my truth if it is my experience that lots of things happen that I do not want to have happen?

GOD: Nothing happens that you do not want to have happen.

NEALE: Nothing?

GOD: Nothing.

You can IMAGINE that things happen that you do not want to have happen, but this is not what is so, and merely allows you to think of yourself as a victim.

Nothing holds you back in your evolution more than this single thought. The idea of victimization is a certain sign of limited perception. True victimization cannot exist.

NEALE: It’s pretty darn hard to tell someone whose daughter has been raped, or whose entire village has been wiped out in a vicious act of “ethnic cleansing,” that no one has been victimized.

GOD: It would be non-beneficial to speak in this way to people while they are in the midst of their suffering. During those moments simply be with them with deep compassion, true caring, and healing love. Do not offer spiritual platitudes or intellectual excursions as a remedy for their pain. Heal the pain first, then heal the thought that created the pain.

Of course it is true that, in the ordinary human sense, there are those who have been the “victim” of terrible occurrences and circumstances in life. Yet this experience of victimization can only be real within the context of normal—and therefore extremely limited—human awareness.

When I say that true victimization does not exist, I am speaking from an entirely different level of awareness. Yet this is a level of awareness that human beings can achieve, once their pain has been healed.

NEALE: Thank you, dear God, for such clarity and such wisdom. Yet your statement that true victimization cannot exist will, I know, still be difficult for many people to embrace, whether they are in emotional pain or not.

GOD: Yet what I am saying here is nothing more than what nearly all of the world’s traditional religions have said for many centuries. “Mysterious are the ways of the Lord,” they have proclaimed.

 

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GOD: You will choose to “die” when your life on earth is complete. Your life on earth will be complete when you have experienced all that you came here to experience.

NEALE: Or when I realize that I have not experienced all of it and that there is no other way to experience all of it along the path I have taken.

GOD: No. Emphatically, no. That cannot happen. No one dies having failed to experience all that they came to the physical world to experience.

NEALE: What?

GOD: I said that no one dies having failed to experience all that they came to the physical world to experience.

There is no such thing as being “incomplete”. That is what is meant by…The Eleventh Remembrance:

The timing and the circumstances of death are always perfect.

NEALE: I believe that. But how does the parent of a child who has been raped, mutilated and murdered call the circumstances of such a death “perfect”? How do people who saw their loved one perish on 9/11 accept such a death as “perfect”?

You are asking an awful lot here. This is stretching credibility of most people to the absolute limit.

GOD: I have already said that the elegance of life’s design is like that of a snowflake. It seems almost too perfect to be believed, too good to be true. Yet I tell you this: Comfort for the bereaved will be found in the sure knowledge of the certain perfection of God.

God is perfect, always and eternally. Now there is only one thing left for you to understand: who and what “God” is.

I have told you over and over again in our conversations, and I will tell you here and now, once more, and finally:

GOD and LIFE are one and the same.

Therefore when I say that “God is perfect,” I am saying that Life is perfect. And it is. The “system” rests in perfect balance with itself.

All things happen in their perfect timing and in their perfect way. It is not always possible to see this, to perceive this, from the extremely narrow perspective of human experience. That is a limitation of the physical world. It is a limitation that can, however, be overcome.

Many “prophets” and “sages” have overcome this limitation of perception by choosing a different perspective, by looking at life a new way. Alas, their messages are often ignored. Their insights are frequently belittled. Often, they themselves are condemned. And so the blind continue to lead the blind, because you will not listen to those who can see.

Therefore, let those who have ears to hear, listen:

Imperfection is impossible in the Kingdom of God.

NEALE: Yes, but what about here on earth?

GOD: “Here on earth” IS the Kingdom of God. There is no place that exists that is not part of that kingdom.

NEALE: You see, we have this all “separated out” here on earth. We’ve got it that life on earth is the trial and the tribulation enabling us to get INTO the Kingdom of God. And it’s our idea that death is the way we get in.

GOD: There is no way to get into the Kingdom of God. It is not a place you get into or out of. It is a place where you always ARE. It is the only place that you can ever be.

NEALE: It sure doesn’t seem that way sometimes.

GOD: That is because you do not remember who you are, and you do not treat others as who they are. If you did, you would experience heaven on earth. You would be Home with God everywhere. And always.

NEALE: Is there any way that people will ever, can ever, “get” that?

GOD: Conversations such as this are one way. Do not keep this conversation to yourself. Make sure it gets into as many hands as possible. Share it with the world.

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ABOUT the author of Conversations with God

Neale Donald Walsch is a modern day spiritual messenger whose words continue to touch the world in profound ways. With an early interest in religion and a deeply felt connection to spirituality, Neale spent the majority of his life thriving professionally, yet searching for spiritual meaning before experiencing his now famous conversation with God. His Conversations with God series of books has been translated into 37 languages, touching millions and inspiring important changes in their day-to-day lives.

Neale was born in Milwaukee to a Roman Catholic family that encouraged his quest for spiritual truth. Serving as his first spiritual mentor, Neale’s mother taught him not to be afraid of God, as she believed in having a personal relationship with the divine — and she taught Neale to do the same.

A nontraditional believer, Neale’s mother hardly ever went to church, and when he asked her why, she told Neale: “I don’t have to go to church — God comes to me. He’s with me and around me wherever I am.” This notion of God at an early age would later move Neale to transcend traditional views of organized religion.

By his late teens Neale’s involvement with spiritually-based teachings led him to begin dipping into a variety of spiritual texts, including the Bible, the Rig Veda, the Upanishads and Divine revelation according to Sri Ramakrishna. He noticed that when people became involved in organized religion they sometimes seemed less joyful and more angry, occasionally exhibiting behaviors of prejudice and separateness. Neale concluded that humanity’s collective experience of theology was not as positive as it was meant to be. It seemed to him that there was something missing in standard theological teachings; that they might contain very good lessons, he concluded, but that they might not be complete.

After graduating from high school, he enrolled at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee, but academic life could not hold his interest and he dropped out of college after two years to follow an interest in radio broadcasting that eventually led to a full-time position at the age of 19 at a small radio station far from his Milwaukee home, in Annapolis, Maryland.

Restless by nature and always seeking to expand his opportunities for self-expression, Neale in the years that followed became a radio station program director, a newspaper managing editor, public information officer for one of the nation’s largest public school systems, and, after moving to the West Coast, creator and owner of his own public relations and marketing firm. Moving from one career field to another, he could not seem to find occupational satisfaction, his relationship life was in constant turmoil, and his health was going rapidly downhill.

He had relocated in Oregon as part of a change-of-scenery strategy to find his way, but Fate was to provide more than a change of location. It produced a change in his entire life. One day a car driven by an elderly gentleman made a left turn directly into his path. Neale emerged from the auto accident with a broken neck. He was lucky to escape with his life.

Over a year of rehab threw him out of work. A failed marriage had already removed him from his home, and soon he couldn’t keep even the small apartment he’d rented. Within months he found himself on the street, homeless. It took him two weeks shy of a year to pull himself together and get back under shelter. He found a modest part-time job, once again in broadcasting, then worked his way into full time broadcasting, eventual landing a spot as a nationally syndicated radio talk show host.

He had seen the bottom of life living outside, gathering beer and soft drink cans in a park to collect the return deposit, but now his life seemed to be on the mend. Yet, once more, Neale felt an emptiness inside that he could not define, and the daily difficulties that everyone faces continued.

In 1992, following a period of deep despair, Neale awoke in the middle of a February night and wrote an anguished letter to God. “What does it take to make life work?” he angrily scratched across a yellow legal pad. “And what have I done to deserve a life of such continuing struggle?”

What followed has been well chronicled and widely discussed around the world. Neale says his questioning letter received a Divine answer. He tells us that he heard a voice just over his right shoulder—soft and warm, kind and loving, as he describes it—that offered a reply. Awestruck and inspired, he quickly scribbled the response onto a yellow legal pad he’d found on a coffee table before him.

More questions came, and as fast as they occurred to him, answers were given in the same gentle voice, which now seemed to have moved inside his head, but also seemed clearly beyond his normal thinking. Before he knew it, Neale found himself engaged in a two-way on-paper dialogue.

He continued this first “conversation” for hours, and had many more in the weeks that followed, always awakening in the middle of the night and being drawn back to his legal pad. Neale’s handwritten notes would later become the best-selling Conversations with God books. He says the process was “exactly like taking dictation,” and that the dialogue that was created in this way was published without alteration or editing. He also says that God is talking to all of us, all the time, and that he has come to understand that this experience is not unusual, nor does it make him in any way a special person or a unique messenger.

In addition to producing the With God series of books, Neale has published 18 other works, as well as many video and audio programs. Available throughout the world, seven of the Conversations with God books made the New York Times bestseller list, with Conversations with God: Book 1 occupying a place on that list for more than two-and-half years. Walsch’s books have sold more than 7.5 million copies worldwide and have been translated into 37 languages. Anecdotal evidence suggests that CWG is one of the most widely distributed hand-to-hand books ever published, with estimates that, on average, at least two people have read every copy purchased — meaning that something more than 15 million people worldwide have read the CWG messages.

The With God series has redefined God and shifted spiritual paradigms around the globe. In order to deal with the enormous response to his writings, Neale has created several global outreach projects dedicated to inspiring the world to help itself move from violence to peace, from confusion to clarity, and from anger to love revolving around their core messages.

The projects include: (1) the Conversations with God Foundation, an adult education outreach; (2) Humanity’s Team, a global spiritual activist outreach; (3) CWG for Parents, an outreach providing resources to those who wish to bring their children the messages of CWG; (4) the Changing Change Network, a CWG helping outreach to persons facing major life challenges; (5) The Global Conversation, an internet newspaper outreach relating the spiritual messages of CWG to the news of the day; and (6) CWG Connect, a multi-media communications outreach creating a worldwide CWG community featuring Video and Audio On-Demand services, together with ongoing personal interaction with the author of CWG. Access to all of these programs will be found at the gateway internet site: www.CWGPortal.com

Neale’s work has taken him from the steps of Machu Picchu in Peru to the steps of the Shinto shrines of Japan, from Red Square in Moscow to St. Peter’s Square in Vatican City to Tiananmen Square in Beijing.

Everywhere he has gone—from South Africa to Norway, Croatia to The Netherlands, the streets of Zurich to the streets of Seoul—Neale has found a hunger among the people to find a new way to live; a way to co-exist, at last, in peace and harmony, with a reverence for Life Itself in all its forms, and for each other. And he has sought to help them develop a new, expanded understanding of God, of life, and of themselves that allows them to create and experience this.

Neale’s latest book, The Only Thing That Matters, was published in October, 2012. He lives in Ashland, Oregon and is married to the American poet Em Claire (www.emclairepoet.com).

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  • mewabe

    Life is like theater…we come on the stage as actors and play our specific and freely chosen part in the drama, in perfect harmony with all other actors, even when all appears to be chaos.

    Most of us forget our real, spiritual identity, assume the role completely and getting seemingly lost in the drama.

    There is a reason for it: we all express and grow certain aspects of our beings, even while seemingly forgetting who we really are and lost in chaos, that could not otherwise be expressed and grow.

    We temporarily need to be blind to learn to see, deaf to learn to hear, numb to learn to feel in ways that we could not even imagine while living in spiritual perfection.

    The mystery of life is multifaceted.

  • mewabe

    Life and death…

    Birth here is a kind of death from the “other side” perspective in the sense that those who love us on the other side know they will miss our presence…even though they are always present and with us while we are here…but most of us do not know this, or feel this, or can communicate.

    Death here is a birth from the other side perspective, while those who love us here experience the pain of temporary separation as well, also unable to communicate with the departed.

    No condition or dimension is better than the other. Heaven is indeed everywhere, including below our feet, and within, here and now (here is infinity, now is eternity).

    When we finally realize that we are in Heaven at all “time” (now) and in all “places” (here), perhaps the veil of separation between the two dimensions will be at least partly lifted. It has nor me and many others.

  • mewabe

    For me, not “nor me”.

  • marie grabowiecki

    I’m not sure I get this and I really want to. Is God saying that those children that died in Newtown chose to die, that their experience on earth was complete, they experienced all that they came here to experience? Was that predetermined before their birth?

  • mewabe

    I think we all need to be extremely careful about the need to have a definite answer on such a subject (whether every death is chosen) or any other for that matter.

    The unexpected does happen, cosmically…there might be a chosen general direction to one’s life, just as there is a chosen general direction to our global future, but there is most probably a lot of leeway on what can happen, or not, and that includes death.

    Otherwise creativity and expression would be quite stifled, and growth stunted…the human psyche would just follow a spiritual blueprint to the letter, and I can’t imagine such a boring and unimaginative way to be.

  • Teddy-George Hatem

    Hi. The past few years have been extremely challenging with several tough events happening in a few short years. My wife left me in 2006, my son Philippe died in a tragic accident at age 11 in 2009, and my daughter had a spinal cord injury falling off her horse in 2010. Of course I had to understand the “why” of all this in order not to collapse, and I undoubtedly did. Reading the trilogy CWG helped a lot, as well as many other books, several conversations with remarkable people, and past life regressions. What I learned is that “life” or “God” is perfect indeed. Philippe came to teach me so much and remind of some important things I needed to do (I learned so much from him) most importantly the creation of the “Philippe Hatem Foundation for a Happy Childhood”, already helping hundreds of children around the world (he was SO compassionate, especially with poor children). As for the accident of Laetitia, it allowed me to give my very best; her recovery from a tetraplegic to now being able to walk, run, dance, and drive a car is considered miraculous even by the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago (RIC is ranked #1 rehabilitation hospital in the US for the past 22 consecutive years) where she received her care (a You Tube video shows this “final Laeticia”; it was prepared by RIC). And for this, I am grateful to her. In many ways, my children allowed me to grow spiritually and to “understand” that there is only perfection in the world. I miss my son, but I also know that he came for a purpose and that purpose was achieved. He did not need to “stay” nor for that matter to come here. I know he is with me, happy, and that we are one. And yes, despite all the challenges, there is only happiness in the world -:)

  • Erin/IAm

    Maria…Yep, they most certainly did…else the bullets would have ‘missed’ them. We often do not See the many ‘miracles’ that occur in our day…how many corners that did not come in contact with our heads, the Leggos we did Not step on, the falls we did Not take, the ‘events’ we did not arrive ‘on time’ for.

    Many Littles will be coming & going in the times ahead, Beloved. They come with the unique ability to grab our Big heart-strings deepest…They come power-packed, indeed! They Are as waves of pure energy…All bringing the same message, & leaving for us to ponder upon it deeper. Angels in their own rites, so to speak. They come to prove dysfunction of precepts…the walls we have built of age & time & purpose & limit…They are perfect for the job at hand, yes?:)

    And, yes, mewabe…those ‘veils’ Are thinning with every ‘wave’…and will not the Phoenix’s wings brush the remains of them aside shortly? For This time & event are We here, yes?:)

    Teddy…Amazing, isn’t it? Your Littles gave you wonder-filled eyes…What a perfect gift, that you unwrapped so beautifully.:)

    Blessed be, to All. Bear witness to event…Heed the message. See Amazing…and Become of nothing less. Good Journey!:)

  • mewabe

    The idea that the timing and the circumstances of death are always perfect makes us feel good, or at least makes us feel a little better.

    The opposite idea, that death is an unwanted event, an accident, a tragedy, makes us feel very bad.

    Isn’t it what all of this boils down to? Trying to feel better by rejecting the thought of tragedy?

    Perfection or imperfection, what does it matter in the end? Death is separation, albeit perhaps temporary, from a loved one. Nothing can soothe the pain of separation, and to attempt to suppress or rationalize such pain is never healthy.

  • Jon the mechanic

    To Marie I would ask, what if those children at Newtown before they came to earth they said among them selves that there is so much pain and violence in the earth what could we do to make a difference that would get the world to look at them selves? So maybe they made a plan. I don’t know I have read about things like this but it is just a though.