Fair question time: Is this okay with you?

Is there any spiritual reason for, or value in, a society’s working to reduce the gap between its highest, middle, and lowest income brackets? Can anything be said in favor of a culture that seeks to create mechanisms that militate against an “every man for himself/to the winner go the spoils” mentality?

If a particular society observes this gap to be grower larger, larger, and ever larger, is there anything to be said for doing what it takes to put a stop to that widening, and to even shrinking that chasm, so that a “good life” may be experienced by all?

What can be said of a society that creates a bigger and bigger gulf between the rich and the poor — and puts into place mechanisms and laws, choices and decisions that reinforce the notion that everything about this is alright; indeed, that this is the way it should be?

I ask these questions because the other day the Economic Policy Institute, a Washington-based think tank, released statistics showing that the average earning of a CEO in a major company in 2012 was $14.1 million. That’s per year, not per lifetime. The figure represents a 12.7% increase for the boss over the previous year.

Average worker salaries, meanwhile, have not increased by 12.7%. Nor even by 6%. Nor even by 2%. Nor, in fact, at all.

For most workers in the U.S., wages in 2012 remained at their 2011 levels — and that’s in the best-case scenarios. Many saw their wages actually fall, the EPI study showed.

And the salaries of their bosses are not the only compensation awarded the folks in the front office. Most also received stock options and other awards, adding more than 50% of their actual cash paycheck to their total income.

All this is happening because corporate earnings continue to soar. But the workers who make those earnings possible are not reaping their proportionate share of the benefit. The website Business Insider.com recently carried the headline:

Corporate Profits Just Hit An All-Time High,
Wages Just Hit An All-Time Low

(Read more here)

The good news is that at least a larger number of Americans are working today — however disproportionate their wage — than at any time in the past thirty years.

Oh, I’m sorry. I got that wrong. It’s exactly the opposite. The Business Insider website says it’s precisely the other way around.

It seems that American companies are hiring fewer American workers than ever before in history.

Than ever in history.

And while workers are so hungry for jobs that they’ll take sub-par wages just to keep bread on their family’s table, corporate heads are making 20 times what their employees earn, dollar for dollar. That’s right. For every dollar the average worker earns, the average CEO earns twenty.

Oh, gosh…I’m so sorry. I got that wrong, too.  That was in 1965. Gee, I was looking at the wrong page on my stat sheet. Today, in 2012, the CEO of a major company makes, on average, something along the order of 273 times more than the average worker.

What is perhaps most remarkable of all: It is not only the very rich who seem to be okay with all this. Millions of people in the middle, and even lower, income class in the U.S. also apparently think this is perfectly alright. Many staunch Conservatives, most Tea Party members, a huge percentage of Republicans, and a handful of red dog Democrats will tell  you: This is the American way. Theirs is the Land of Opportunity, and in the Land of Opportunity everyone has the same chance to “get theirs.”

But is it true? Does everyone in America have an equal opportunity? Is it true of black Americans? Female Americans? Gay Americans? I just ask. Does everyone in America have an equal opportunity to be the CEO of a major company, and earn nearly 273% more than the workers they boss?

More important, is this really the way that an enlightened society sets up its laws and economic mechanisms, and treats its members?

I am curious. Really curious. What do you think? Is there any spiritual reason for, or value in, a society’s working to reduce the gap between its highest, middle, and lowest income brackets? Can anything be said in favor of a culture that seeks to promote ideas and ideals, and maybe even create mechanisms, that militate against an “every man for himself/to the winner go the spoils” mentality?
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  • Trisha

    I think the middle class (though dwindling) has been kept just happy enough not to rebel. Those that are lower class are so busy with the struggle for bare minimum living they can not rebel. Both things are what the top 1% who control the economics have always counted on since the Declaration of Independence was written. Matter of fact, that is why we never hear about white slaves in America. They were kept just enough ‘above’ the black slaves that they did not merge with them and rebel, leaving the black slaves to fight alone.

    Its not okay. I for one have been living below poverty for two years now, not able to find jobs to apply for let alone interviews. I could work for $7-10 an hour, if that were even offered but then that would only pay for me to commute to work. Period. So I make do watching the changes in our society and somehow it all works out for me, the magic of the universe. . .but I’m anxiously awaiting for the rebellion. I’m not the only one I know in the same situation. People are reaching their limit FINALLY.

    • Michael L

      Trisha,
      Ask any successful business person and the biggest grip bedside’s Obama care is that no unemployed, will step up to be workers for their business. The money you can make in North Dakota is astounding.

  • Donna Hartt

    Creating a win/win for the sake of the ALL has lifelong benefits. I understand that people must work hard to reach monetary success, but when one person, never mind a CEO, gets paid $40million to film a movie for four months when there are paramedics, teachers, first responders and doctors making nowhere near what they are worthy, something is skewed.

    It is not to dismiss dedication and hardwork, but EACH and EVERY one of us is worth being held in high regard no matter what they do for work. Happy employees = hard-working and productive employees………maybe there will come a day when money has no need to exist and we can be valued for the superstars we all are……….

  • Kristi

    The time is coming soon where people are becoming more “aware” of many different things, this topic being one of them. The middle class and the poor are being informed of the unfair and unjust issues that we seem to have no control over…. But, all of this WILL change and it has started! The Enlightened Ones will clear a path and the future generations will see the difference!

  • Blanca

    Try switxhing focus to small (vey small companies) the ones that remain family based and have less than 15 employees. Their owners are the CEO’s, and ussually the fiorst to get to the office (ot hey may LIVE in the office), are the last to leave, and absolutley do not make 273 times what thjeir workers do.

    You ask, is it fair that the CEOS of giant companies make so much more than their workes? How about fair for the people who run their own small businesses to know that however hard they are working, and however hard it may be they are paying employee wages, that with all the experience they have doing this they are practically invisible to these giantic CEO’s who may not even have the abilities needed to deal with “the smaller people”?

    And if you see a payroll for a company with a huge number of employees that has 40% or 60%of the total payroll going over to the CEO, how is this different from a monarchy?

    Then, you have to remember, this society has evolved its social and economic policies so societies based on the many paying for the luxuries of the few cana lso get their own.

    Or has it not?

  • mewabe

    It’s called EXPLOITATION…And the exploiters want to take us back to the dark ages, make us all serfs and peons while the lords grow fatter and fatter with obscene wealth, power, cynicism and arrogance.

    The reason why a large proportion of Americans are perfectly okay with this set up is called BRAIN-WASHING. Americans have been brain-washed for decades into believing anything that is not social Darwinism (everyone for himself-to the winner go the spoils) is communist or socialist, in other words EVIL.

    Americans have also been conditioned to believe that when they fail, when they loose their job, their house, their car, when they get sick and die from unending stress and worries, IT IS THEIR FAULT. Yes, if you are not a billionaire, IT IS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT! If you are starving, IT IS YOUR FAULT!

    The politicians who engaged in social engineering, who destroyed jobs and the economy by concocting unbalanced free trade agreements and who encouraged outsourcing and the relocation of industries to other nations, these politicians have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE PROBLEMS WE SEE TODAY. NO SIR…Don’t blame them, that would not be FAIR.

    And so it appears that the slaves are happy being slaves, so happy they will take down anyone who will dare propose to point the way to freedom.

    • Michael L

      Mewabe,

      well articulated as usual, and a little left of center, but that’s why I love your perspective.

      You get going and then splash these words down,,,a bit hard to stomach.”

      “So don’t be so whiny, don’t be a lazy bum, go apply for these 4 minimum
      wage jobs which you know you can manage perfectly well if you stop
      eating and sleeping and work 24 hours a day.”

      Let me add, you don’t have to. You can give in… and get your free Obama phone
      and food stamps and never have to work again in your life, your choice,
      in this great country we live in, where the we have probably have the
      richest poor folks in the world.

      You tag so many folks with your big brush for just being asleep. Have a little compassion and believe that they will wake up…..and very soon.

      • mewabe

        Thanks Michael,

        As Russell Means (Oglala Lakota) said before he died of cancer:

        “Welcome to the reservation”…

        Find him on YouTube (“Welcome to the reservation” interview) and you may get a chuckle…

        • Michael L

          mewabe,

          Watched the video, and he is not unfamiliar to me. In the past he spoke at conferences I used to take in house photos for.

          He was funny then and in the video.(chuckle).
          Very serious subject. Hope I was one of the White men that he saw hope in.

          “What the Hell we are Indians.”

          Can be interpreted as sacred.

    • Victor

      YEAH Mewabe! Well said! You say it as it is…

      This is not just in the United States, this is almost everywhere.

      But of course the US have become the very model of this ‘dream’, actually, this nightmare…

      Congrats for so hot words, observations, and plainly, Truths!

      • mewabe

        Thanks Victor!

  • Bob Coletti

    wow. what a disappointment. biased political propaganda from something associated with Neale. you should be ashamed.

    • mewabe

      Which part of this is propaganda? The part that states the difference between a CEO’s earnings and a worker’s earning?

      Are INCONVENIENT TRUTHS propaganda when what was previously hidden from public awareness is revealed for all to see? Is it propaganda because it has become very EMBARRASSING for conservatives to maintain their support of social Darwinism in the face of such unprecedented wealth and widespread poverty?

      If anyone should be ashamed, it should be these CEO and the people who support them politically, but to feel shame would requires a properly functioning conscience, and these people apparently do not suffer the handicap of having such a conscience.

      • Bob Coletti

        since you have a need to be right, i will not argue all titer fallacious statements. i WILL address the propaganda that tea party members, conservatives, etc think CEO overcomp is ok. We do not. We find it hypocritical to demand equality for unearned compensation. The reason CEOs can steal from their stock holders is because they are in bed with the progressive policies and regulations makers. Laws and regulations are CAUSING THE DISPARITY.

        • Bob Coletti

          The anger and hatred in your response, mewabe, us why political discourse had become untenable. Don’T believe the hype. Conservatives are love. They live families, friends and communities. This is why the overwhelming majority of charitable contributions are from conservatives. Where is progressive compassion when it comes to charity? So hypocritical to demand others give what they worked for while you sit on yours.

          • mewabe

            There was neither hatred nor anger in my reply. Honest…

            And I do not have a need to be right, I was born right (just kidding!)

            The way I see it, the main reason why this situation has happened is that politicians have divided America into two extremely polarized political factions (divide and conquer, nothing new about this strategy), and each one blames the other for these problems…meanwhile, the politicians and their pals, the military-industrial-banking-corporate complex, run off with the loot, while the public is more confused than ever.

            Personally, I am neither a conservative nor a liberal. I have always felt like a total revolutionary, but not a political revolutionary…a spiritual revolutionary. All politics are a waste of time.

            Obviously, if there is such a disparity of income, it means that the general public thinks or believes such a thing is perfectly okay.
            I don’t, but I am not part of the mainstream culture.

          • Bob Coletti

            Born right? You and I truly ARE ONE! 🙂 upon reflection, i believe there isn’t anger in your responses and i apologize for possibly projecting. I think most that are open minded enough to heat what Neale says, are likely NOT mainstream types. I agree the Pols have divided and conquered America. I am tired though of this type of article. Blaming doesn’t solve anything, and this is a hack piece against a certain group. Conservatives may not be right on all issues (of course they ARE NOT) but they are more loving, more tolerant and more forgiving than any left leaning person I have met since the hippies faded from sight. It is a direct finger pointed by the writer of this article at Tea party, conservatives, etc that is pure false.

          • Christopher Toft

            “Conservatives may not be right on all issues (of course they ARE NOT) but they are more loving, more tolerant and more forgiving than any left leaning person I have met since the hippies faded from sight”
            Bob, this is debateable I think, as would be the suggestion that left wingers are “more loving, more tolerant(Not of me getting married to my partner they aren’t, broadly speaking anyway) & more forgiving”. Personally I see politics not as left v’s right but of singular issues with complex answers that usually sit somewhere in the political centre.

          • Victor

            Bob,

            This is not about how loving a conservative, or a tea partisan, CEO, etc. can be…

            Of course, taken individually, and/or even in some groups, people that support this worldview in which ‘this-is-the-way-it-should be, no matter how much poverty and misery for 80% of the world population this worldview produces’, can be as loving, good hearted, or compassionate as anybody (though many in the high tops are real psychopaths, or sociopaths, and this is not a judgment, just an observation).

            The trouble is what I’ve already mentioned: this worldview, that justifies that 60%, 70%, 80% of the world population live lifes of poverty and/or misery, or if you talk about the US, that near 45 million people live in poverty, is actually supported by many of this very same people, via BRAINWASHING, through media, religion, tradition, ‘education’, and culture. ‘It’s the Will of God’, religion will tell you. ‘It’s Nature condition’, will tell you social darwinists. ‘It’s that they don’t manage nor use “The Secret”, will tell you New-Agers. ‘They are just losers, slothful, lazy people, that don’t do what is required to win, and you know: to the winner go the spoils…’. will tell you tradition. ‘Everyone is for himself and his family or group’, will tell you culture paradigm.

            And this worldview is simply and plainly inadequate. Inadequate for producing well being and good lives for all.

            This is not about that some people just earn a little more or much more than others due their effortts, creativity, or focus, and others don’t earn or aquire too much because they don’t focus, work hard, or have other interests. This is about that in this world, millions, vast majorities, live in abject misery, and a tiny porcentage, less than 1% live lifes of abject luxury, absolutely unnecesary, meanwhile the rest in the ‘middle classes’ have to struggle day by day with 2 or 3 jobs just for maintaining alive.

            Is this the way it should/could be? For me the answe is absolutely NO!

            And if you relate with the information provided in sources as Conversations with God, by this very same Neale Donald Walsch you’re attacking, you’d have to have noticed that neither not.

          • Bob Coletti

            let’s back up. I am not a conservative despite the defense of them. i have my own convictions on each issue of interest to me. I am tired of the rhetoric and bashing people who, for the most part, mind their own business and live their own lives. I have an issue with oppression, more rules and regulations. We will never force people in a direction and have that be sustainable. As far as businesses and CEO pay… Every person who ever started their own company did so with good intentions. Many of these public company CEOs have never built or created their own. They have no regard and no respect. Then there are people like Gates, Jobs Steinbrenner. Men who deserved every penny. Why should they not have their just compensation and who is anyone to tel them when enough is?

          • Victor

            Yes, what you say it’s just more of “every man for himself”. No matter consequences or implications.

          • Bob Coletti

            That is definitely NOT what i say or said. Phrase, if you don’t understand, don’t assume. My BELIEF is this conversation is pointless. God provides all i ask. I am abundant because of God. I believe alkyl paths to God ate the answer. FAITH. Not in man, but in self. The self of a divine being. Me.

          • mewabe

            Thanks Bob, see my latest comment at the top (or somewhere) about war. I believe that is the real problem, and numbers are there to back it up, I don’t have them handy but can find the data if necessary.

            I don’t believe one ideological group is more loving or tolerant than another…and if one is to blame, we all are.

            We are all individuals, unfortunately the ones with the loudest mouth are the one who are heard, and they do not necessarily represent their peers.

            I am apolitical, as I find all politics insulting to anyone’s intelligence, and I avoid all group thinking anyway (group thought is a contradiction in terms, or an oxymoron, in my view…groups seek agreement, which quickly becomes tyranny by ending all thinking processes, as any questioning is seen by the group as threatening to the established, agreed upon thought, or ideology, dogma, belief system etc).

            I agree with you, the very worse that could ever be done, and that has been done, was to put lawyers (better known as lairs and thieves) in charge of government!

            Was I just being judgmental about lawyers? I believe I was, and I haven’t been struck by lightening! Wow!

          • Christopher Toft

            “I am apolitical, as I find all politics insulting to anyone’s intelligence”.
            LOL!!! I find it baffling for the same reasons:)

          • Michael L

            There is no Right or Wrong,,,,,so no, lighting!!!

          • mewabe

            Too bad, I would have liked a little charge!

          • Michael L

            But when you get hit with the facts, time after time in life and the movies…well, seems like it could be true!!!!

          • Michael L

            Bob,

            False of course is in the eye of the beholder.
            As truth is.
            So what looks like your talking about the same subject, you see the statue (same subject) from the side, and he sees it from the other side, each having to imagine what the other is seeing.

  • roxymartin

    I think it is horribly wrong Neale. What could possibly be right about this? The whole structure will come crashing down soon because there is nothing to support this system

    • Blanca

      I wish.. but no, it won’t.

      Throughout history the only systems that have really endured are base on the few living in luxury based on the hard work of the invisible masses of workers, be it king’s servants, emperor’s slaves, or factory workers. And there was never anything to support these systems, they have just evolved into more complucated reasonings to justify the same thing,
      Sadly, humanity has been going round and round the same and still the simple lesson “there is enough for everybody” scapes its grasp.

  • Christopher Toft

    Wow hot topic. I think the wage gap in rich countries like the US & the UK is a reflection of humanity’s mistaken ideas about what matters & what makes us happy. It always makes my jaw drop when I see people earning above 500k a year(I’m talking pounds not dollars). Why on earth would one person, one family need this kind of money to be comfortable & have fun things like holidays & Christmas presents? The answer is, they don’t. Beyond a certain level of wealth & comfort it quickly becomes obscene, perverse, ugly & unjust. It seems to me that people have just been massively sucked in by this idea of money=happiness because most of us do not know what to replace bigger, better, more with. As a species we literally do not know how to be happy, we do not know what a coherent definition of happiness even is(My personal view is that happiness is the same as Neale’s definition of the only thing that matters: Happiness is what one desires). I have some questions to ask everyone, including myself as I’m going to go away & think about this.: What would happen if there were a ceiling wage for everyone? Would this ruin the economy because no-one would be motivated to work?

    • Michael L

      Chris,
      Your boxing folks into your idea of who you believe folks are. You judge them,,,as you judge your self.
      What about the idea that the amount of abundance each soul has is proportionate to it’s purpose this time around.

      I once read that your hard work your abundance was 24 million,,,, before redistribution was saintly.
      I have read words on this form that believes 100k is to much.
      When we spiritually realize that helping others helps our selves, the amount will be irrelevant.

      • Christopher Toft

        Neale probably does earn more than 500k yes. This is a subject I am still thinking through. My aim was not to “bash” people earning high wages & I certainly wasn’t meaning to judge anyone. My point was meant to be how much do we really need financially to be comfortable & have nice things? Also that there comes a point when money is no longer of benefit to just you & your family. I stand by these points. Micheal you have a point about boxing people into who I believe they should be. I wanted to hear people’s views on a ceiling wage, as well as form my own views on the idea. I was not specifically calling for a ceiling wage in any country. I believe that anyone demonstrating true abundance does not care about how much money they have & they will give it freely, the money is willingly shared or channelled into the creation of ideas that benefit everyone & everything. I have come to the conclusion that a ceiling wage would not work anyway because the world economy is based upon the premise of bigger, better, more. The entire structure would collapse precisely because it is based upon the idea that there is not enough. This leads me back to believing that it is once again a case of each individual evolving to a point where money is irrelevant to happiness.

    • tulika

      Neale says quite the opposite in his seminars related to abundance.. In fact Neale himself may be earning more than 500k…

  • mewabe

    I forgot to mention…

    I don’t think that those who aim for extreme wealth do so because they think money will make them happy. Most see money as a means to achieve what to them are the ultimate goals: POWER and CONTROL.

    Obscene wealth means obscene power. That’s “all” the very rich want…that’s why we find so many people with psychopathic and/or sociopathic tendencies at the very top.

    So, again, we come back to the ideas of dominant power and control…which are pathological obsessions in our world. Dominant power and control originate in fear, and create more fear.

    The way out of this vicious circle, the way up, is love.
    Love IS power, the only true kind of power. Love does not always make us happy, or not necessarily constantly or forever. But it keeps us real and in tune with our soul.

    Those who seek things that do not feed their soul (power, authority, extreme wealth, control) are, ultimately, to be pitied.

    • Christopher Toft

      Money, power, control call it what you want. It’s still a failure to comprehend what happiness is. You have a point though-beyond a certain level of wealth power is likely to take over as a craving.

      • mewabe

        I agree Christopher…however many individuals are so psychologically damaged, so neurotic, that they are incapable of understanding what happiness is.

        Most average people are somewhat forced to be obsessed with money because we have created social systems and economies that engender slavery, and money appears to be the ONLY door to actual, practical freedom, the only way out of this slavery.

        But we do not need money to be free…that’s the greatest illusion. All we need is reclaim our freedom and live outside of mainstream society, as do many American Indians, many artists, and other “rebels”, “misfits” and creative individuals.

        • Bob Coletti

          I don’t understand what the issue is. If you believe Neale, and believe in God, there IS NO LACK, and thus no reason to look at another and say, “you have too much” Its choice. Align with the finance you desire fee YOUR joy and let others do the same. From a physical realm, stop voting lawyers as your elected officials because its the lawyers that are gaming the system. Everyone else works around the lawyers. End the nonsense. Simplify the rules and eliminate the trouble makers known ass lawyers.

          • Christopher Toft

            Bob, don’t you think that the fact that we live in a world of financial polarization where some are obscenely rich & others barely get a bowl of rice a day is an issue? Doesn’t this say something about us, about greed, selfishness & attachment? In a world of enoughness, where people genuinely live the idea that there is no lack, would we really see what we see?

          • Bob Coletti

            Chris, what i see is governments fixing prices on farmer produce, artificially inflating prices, manipulating food stores. I see massive amounts of food being thrown in garbages. I see prisons full and not a single workable idea that has yet to bring those out of their darkness. I see a world of blame and no true solutions. We grow enough to feed every man, woman and child in the world. Why is anyone hungry? We have enough material to shelter and clothe everyone in the world. Why are there cold and homeless?

          • Christopher Toft

            “We grow enough to feed every man, woman and child in the world. Why is anyone hungry? We have enough material to shelter and clothe everyone in the world. Why are there cold and homeless?”

            Why indeed? Could it possibly have anything to do with pan-cultural ideas about winners & losers, deserving & undeserving? Could it have anything to do with the bizarre perceived value of jobs like kicking a football around or looking pretty v’s the perceived value of jobs like scientific research, teaching, nursing or even waste management? Why do movie stars & CEO’s get such astonishing sums of money? What exactly is the logic here anyway, What are your thoughts about this Bob?

          • Bob Coletti

            I think its backwards, at best. However, the entire concept of compensation is difficult. Who decides which among us will be treated by the best surgeons? The doctors themselves, i think. They should receive compensation asked by them. How else is right? If you work hard to learn a skill such as medicine, do you deserve “more” in trade for your services than a litter-picker-upper? Also, what about those incapable or unwilling? They are certainly worthy. But who decides? I do not have that answer… yet. 🙂 I am listening though……

          • Christopher Toft

            Hmmm. I think I’d have to say that more skilled jobs should result in higher pay in all fairness. I guess you’d agree that people looking pretty or kicking a football are overpaid though. As for the incapable, if they are literally incapable then we have a clear responsibility to care for them & give them as much love as we can. The unwilling? Well as Neale says “No-one does anything inappropriate given their view of the world”. Deliberately choosing to live a life on benefits is a very limited expression of self & therefore has its own drawbacks. I think that people who feel “robbed” by such “shirkers” are basically coming from a place of “there is not enough” & “give me mine”. People are perfectly free to waste their lives if they so wish in my view. Who decides? Humanity does. Who else?

  • Paul Stegman

    No, of course this is not the way an enlightened society would be setup. But we are not an enlightened society. We won’t be until each of us fixes our hearts and becomes totally honest in the process. Honesty, from all, will bring transparency, which is what is needed to heal the inequalities. There is nothing “wrong” with a person or corporation (sorry, I forgot they’re the same) from having greater income than another. But lack of transparency allows them to receive preferences, such as tax loopholes, that subverts the system we currently have and results in a lack for the “other 98%”. I will continue to work on my own “atonement” as that is all I can do. Somewhere I read that there is no right or wrong, that they are just judgments that we make based on our limited perspective. The universe is expanding as it should both physically and spiritually. I think God tells us in CWG that passing more laws isn’t the answer. An enlightened society comes from understanding that we are all one, that there is enough, etc. Peace and Love

  • Tom Fowler

    The answer is clearly yes. There are spiritual reasons to reduce such a gap as well as implement mechanisms to create such a society.

    The question seems rather rhetorical given our understanding. I have a question, what are you waiting for? Obviously you desire change, and you have a magnificent influence on others as well as the financial means to make some noise, so what gives?

    • NealeDonaldWalsch

      My Dear Tom…I am waiting for nothing. Are not noticing that I founded a worldwide organization, Humanity’s Team, to engage our global culture and introduce a new way of thinking to our species? Are you aware that I have launched The Evolution Revolution (see the impossible-to-miss Blue Box in the right-hand column on this website’s home page). Have you missed the fact that I devoted two entire books to issues revolving around this — namely: The Storm Before the Calm, and The Only Thing That Matters? Will you answer the call to help us all co-author a New Cultural Story for Humanity? Will I be able to count on YOU to initiate an Evolution Revolution Activity Group in your home and community? What do you say, Tom? What gives with YOU??? ;o)

      • Tom Fowler
        • NealeDonaldWalsch

          TOM, let’s join forces here. Please start an Evolution Revolution Activity Group. Then we can talk in person! Best thoughts…Neale

          • Tom Fowler

            Will do. Thank you, Tom

  • Asbjørn T S Hyld

    There´s a lot to read & I did´nt read it al but, I can see some Things in youre country that does make a difference in youre society, one thing that apeared to me lately was that the strickt laws about (foul language) in youre medias makes it impossible fore some people to get heard. Those people do already feel lesser than others Thus it only strengthen the gab in society.

  • Awareness

    Thank you Neale Donald Walsch, the following came to mind:

    “I am responsible. I am responsible for myself. I am responsible for the
    condition of my heart. I am also responsible for everyone else’s heart.
    I am responsible. I am responsible for myself and for everyone’s heart.
    God gave me this freedom. I am responsible for everyone’s well-being. I
    am responsible for my wealth. I am responsible for everyone’s wealth. I
    am responsible for the birds that sing and the dogs that bark. I am
    responsible for my life. The government is not. The world is not. The
    law is not. I, I am responsible.” – Heavenletter #4595 June 24, 2013 🙂

  • ruchir

    We should be the role models. We should be the CEO’s who should take home a million when the board is willing to give us a hundred million. If all the spiritual wisdom we have acquired does not make us prosperous and powerful and happy (or whatever else we wish to be), then the wisdom has not sunk into our being.

  • How much is too much income? How much is enough?

    Is it wise to set financial limits to artificially create more equality? Can a percentage of profits go to the workers more equally?

    I can sleep only 3 hours a night because I don’t want to limit myself. However, I will pay a huge price for doing so! My point?

    We deliberately set limits on ourselves because it serves a greater purpose & greater benefit to do so, like when eating too much we can actually get sick etc.

    Now can we move from being PEB’s Primitively Evolved Beings to more evolved?

    Do we or the media ask questions like “Would a more evolved society do this?” I don’t see this question being raised, but it should always be raised to challenge the status Quo & life in general.

    We seem to afraid to even examine this question. How much is enough? Can we even come to some agreement on that if we ask the question?

    What might it be 5 million, 25 million, 100 million a billion? Isn’t that the question that is being raised here?

    Magically,
    -Marko

    • Michael L

      I thought is was.

  • Victor

    Great topic Neale! Great, great, hot topic!

    Congrats!

    Of course, talking about the past topic: why are there and have been Revolutions in the world, and one of the causes is the gap, no, not the gap; the enormous Universe of inequalities between vast majority masses that live in abject povery or misery, and tiny bunches of hiper rich and powerful that live in abject luxury and have absolute control over the lives of everyone else; this is logic continuation of the discussion.

    No, not in the US, nor in the rest of the world, there are equal opportunities. And this is not a ‘judment charged with negativity’. This is just a factual observation. Just see the world around.

    And yes, I think that we, the peoples of the world can do something about it. This is not as it should be. This is not ‘natural’. This is not ‘the will of God’. This is not because the fault of the poor, nor that ‘we’re attratcting and focusing poverty’. And we can start by dismantling all the brainwash systems that tell us that this is the way it should be.

    Blessings.

  • Bob Coletti

    I find it interesting there are so many quickly jumping on this bandwagon. How many of you have money in the bank? Based on your philosophy, you dint NEED that and should have given it away. How many of you have more than one vehicle? Ever take a vacation? Did you NEED that when that money could have gone to a starving family? Don’t throw rocks unloads you are COMPLETELY innocent. I an most certainly not.

    • Victor

      As I said before:

      This is not about that some people just earn a little more or much
      more than others due their effortts, creativity, or focus, and others
      don’t earn or aquire too much because they don’t focus, work hard, or
      have other interests. This is about that in this world, millions, vast
      majorities, live in abject misery, and a tiny porcentage, less than 1%
      live lives of abject luxury, absolutely unnecesary, meanwhile the rest
      in the ‘middle classes’ have to struggle day by day with 2 or 3 jobs
      just for maintaining alive, and some needs, some of them, artificial
      needs created by this distorted culture.

      Is this the way it should/could be? For me the answer is absolutely: NO!

      And if you relate with the information provided in sources as
      Conversations with God, by this very same Neale Donald Walsch you’re
      attacking, you’d have to have noticed that neither not.

      • Michael L

        Victor please.
        This is a conversation not a fight.

        • Victor

          ,,,?

          A fight? Why do you say that, my friend Michael?

          To express contrasting points of view, is not a fight, in my oppinion…

    • NealeDonaldWalsch

      Please, my dear Bob, please, try not to be so simplistic. No one is
      suggesting for a moment that people should not be able to have money in
      the bank, own more than one car, or ever take a vacation. Why you feel
      the need to denigrate the point that is being made here by reducing it
      to ridiculous peremeters is beyond me. The point is that paying CEO’s
      273 TIMES the earnings of the average worker may seem out of
      balance in a society that says it values the contribution and equal opportunity of all. And the question my entry poses is: Might there be any
      any spiritual reason for, or value in, a society’s working to reduce the
      gap between its highest, middle, and lowest income brackets? That seems
      a fair question, and it need not be responded to by attempts to recast
      the argument in absurd terms. Hugs…neale.

      • Bob Coletti

        Hi Neale. The point of the absurdity and simplicity was intentional, as i think you know. Why should anyone bother looking at someone else and say,” you have enough.” I cannot condemn anyone. I believe those with such are in the position they were meant to be, including the politicians i rail against.

        • NealeDonaldWalsch

          Bob…it is not a question of someone looking at another and saying “you have enough.” Again, this illustrates your penchant for turning the entire case that is being made here around. Bob, it is a question of someone looking to another and saying “WE do NOT have enough. Two thirds of the world’s people do NOT have enough. Heavens, more than that. And so, they ask: Is there anything that those who DO have enough are willing to DO for those who DON’T?”

          The additional question that is asked…which so many people want to keep avoiding…”Is there anything that might be done, in and by a society that so loudly proclaims it to be the Land of Opportunity and the world’s ideal platform for creating Equality, in order to produce those outcomes, instead of exactly the opposite?”

          More directly:Might there be any any spiritual reason for, or value in, a society’s working to reduce the gap between its highest, middle, and lowest income brackets? I’ve asked this question now five times, Bob. And your answer?

          Hugs….neale.

  • Bob Coletti

    Aren’t we sitting here debating whether or not the world is functioning “right or wrong?” Yet i distinctly remember in CWG, ( likely the reason many if us are even on this posting) God saying there IS no right or wrong. So, it seems this may be a way of sweetening who is listening and who is not ready for the message.

    • NealeDonaldWalsch

      No, Bob, we are not debating whether the way the world is functioning is “right or wrong.” We are debating whether the way the world is functioning “works” or “does not work.”

      As you correctly point out, CWG says “there is no such thing as Right or Wrong,” but it does not stop there. The CWG message is: “There is no such thing as Right or Wrong, there is only What Works and What Does Not Work, given what it is you are trying to do.” If you’re going to quote CWG, Bob, it would be best if you quoted a particular passage in its entirety.

      So the debate is about whether CEO’s earning 273 times more than their employees is what works, given what it is we say we are trying to do as a species of sentient beings on this planet. THAT is what the debate is about, Bob, and it is disappointing that a person of your obvious intelligence does not seem to understand that — or, worse yet, chooses to pretend he does not, in order to obfuscate the issue.

      In any event, I hope I have just helped to clarify the point. Hugs…neale

      • Bob Coletti

        Hi Neale. I appreciate your response. I am on a path of discovery. My inner feeling is any life is available by choice. To say that financial compensation in this physical realm is affected by another is a direct contradiction to us being divine with our own creative power, is it not?

        • Bob Coletti

          Also, I’m not being arbitrary. My questioning is genuine, not intentionally obfuscating.

          • Victor

            You said: “The point of the absurdity and simplicity was intentional”

            It seems to be very clear what you intend…

            In any way, thank you very much for showing us so well the “every man for himself” mentality in so clear and detailed ways…

            Blessings

          • Bob Coletti

            Hey Victor.
            Ending your harpooning with “blessings” doesn’t diminish the dismissiveness. Why are so many so defensive, including Neale, when i am trying to bring another perspective? This is the “discussion?” If you are unwilling to hear and address other pov perhaps i am in the wrong place. To answer Neale’s very direct question to me, is this what WORKS? Apparently it IS since this is the structure we, ourselves, put in place. Part two, is there spiritual reason or value to closing the gap? No. There is zero spiritual reason to FORCE anything to happen. We must change our consciousness/beliefs first.

          • Bob Coletti

            Thank you all for your input. Neale i enjoy your work. I know We are all One with differing perspectives and i respect the fact that you each have yours. Perhaps you will understand someday that other viewpoints than yours are valid as well.

          • NealeDonaldWalsch

            Bob…All viewpoints are valid in the eye of the person holding them. However, invited to further explain those viewpoints, some people feel they have to obfuscate the issue by using words like “force”, in order to make the other person’s viewpoint seem wrong. Some people use absurdity and simplicity intentionally — and actually admit it! — in an attempt to make a second person’s argument appear absurd.

            Dear, dear Bob….you know and I know that corporate CEO’s earning 273 times more than their employees is what is absurd, and what is totally out of balance with a society that boasts of offering equal opportunity to all. How much is enough, Bob? How many people have to be living on sub-par wages, scraping by to just get by, in order for you to see the obscenity of it in a culture that describes itself as compassionate?

            How many, Bob?

            How many dollars do the CEOs have to earn on the backs of workers that they are paying 273 times less, before even you can see, and say, “This just doesn’t seem fair. In an advanced culture (as opposed to a primitive one) ‘freedom,’ and a ‘free society,’ means having the freedom to do what is fair and good and responsible and generous and caring. It should not mean having the freedom to gouge others in order to live higher and higher and higher on the hog, earning more and more and more, while millions of others are desperately struggling, having to choose between obtaining needed medicine and putting food on the table.”

            In 1965 corporate CEO’s earned 20 times what their employees earned. Today it is 273 times! When, Bob…WHEN….will even you see this as a gross distortion of “freedom”?

            Does ultimate freedom mean we have the right to shout “FIre!” in a crowded theatre just because we want to? No! “Freedom” that causes damage to others is not freedom, but oppression. “Freedom” that ignores the suffering of others is not behavior worthy of an enlightened society, but behavior indicative of a primitive one.

            Do you get it, Bob? Do you get it?

          • Victor

            Thank you Neale…

            Fair comments and observations, in my oppinion…

            I think sometimes there is a distortion or confusion between “We Are All One”, understood as One body with many parts being a whole, which requires awareness of the Whole we are by each one of its parts -and also, of course, inner work and inner awareness-, and “We are All One” understood as “each one of us is one”, which is just another sentence for “everyman for himself”…

            As we can see in these kind of expressions:

            “I see examples every day of individuals who, through SELF expression, not only become successful…”

            “I believe when we all pursue our joy, without focusing on trying to “fix” another’s way…”

            Just for quoting a pair of examples from our friend Bob…

            Sometimes I find that there could be this type of misunderstanding in that notion that more or less tells us: “the change starts in each person, individually…”, etc., which can be understood as “if every person does what¨s got to be done, everything will work”; in other words: “every man for himself; if every one does so, the world will work perfectly automatically…”. No groups, no collective force, no group consciousness, no collective awareness and action, no, just ´do your thing and everything will go fine…´.

            Clearly there is something missing there…

            I think Bob is showing us in his own style this sort of confusion, and that is part of his present to all us.

            Blessings.

          • Victor

            Another couple of things, Neale:

            Remember that neither oppression, nor suffering, nor damage are real… They´re just illusions… Constructions of our mind. They´re not real. Soooo… no matter, everything is perfect here and now as it is, and there´s nothing we have to do… The world is perfectly fine as it is, so let each one to rejoice in his own manner. If there are ´losers´, it is because they have ´loser consciousness´, and it is their own choice. Or their karmic choice. Or their soul´s choice, so this is their own path and election. They just don´t know nor use the law of attraction nor the Secret, and we don´t have the right to interfere nor influence, nor “force”, another soul´s path…

            So, let it be. Everything will rearrange itself by ways of automatic evolution, so no matter. If something is meant to be transformed, Evolution will do by her own means.

            (A little bit of New-Age sarcasm… I hope anybody don´t mind…)

          • Victor

            I remember a phrase from CWG:

            “Love can not be indifferent. It is impossible for Love to do so”

            Great phrase!

          • NealeDonaldWalsch

            Bob….no one said anything about FORCE. You entered that word into the discussion — once again to apparently obfuscate the issue. Show me where, anywhere, I suggested that we FORCE anyone to do anything. Oh, I see, you can’t. You just added that word into the discussion to make yourself seem right.

            Hmmmm….

            Bob…I talked about society “working towards reducing the gap” between the very rich and the very poor. I didn’t say a word about “forcing” society to do so. Wow.

          • Bob Coletti

            I see examples every day of individuals who, through SELF expression, not only become successful in this seemingly all-important-to-so-many financial realm, but also transformational in a spiritual sense without needing to”reduce the income inequality” your concerned about. A man like Tony Hawk, for example. I mean, there are THOUSANDS living this way today. I believe when we all pursue our joy, without focusing on trying to “fix” another’s way, we will transform society. We are moving in the right direction. The proof is everywhere. So what, EXACTLY, is the problem you are trying to solve with this line of questioning?

        • Victor

          No, it is not, Bob…

          Yes, we are divine beings, but we have a physical manifestation, and live in a physical world, in which we choose what we are, what we want to be, and what we want to create. Capable absolutely of any possibility. I say it again, capable absolutely of any possibility: the beautiful and the awful. Take a look around. Take a look to History.

          Of course that as human beings WE CAN AFFECT INDEED OTHER human beings… Again: look around. Look to your parents, any parent. Look to any person that has inflicted pain, trauma, discomfort, or arised joy, pleasure, or beauty to others. Look at the criminals. Look at the saints. Of course all of them have affected others. Sometimes in a huge way.

          Of course, spiritually talking, all of this has a different meaning, and ultimately “there are no victims nor villains” in our world, but to use this as a denial of the obvious fact that some people choose to affect others, and others choose to be affected -often in subconscious ways-, or subdued, or victimized, is something near to madness…

          And thinking a little more, yes, madness is a very good word for describing much of what we, as humanity have created, and continue recreating in our world…

  • mewabe

    Here is a simple solution that is completely forgotten in this discussion:

    There is MORE THAN ENOUGH money that is currently being channeled to wage active WAR, that is invested in new WEAPON research, development and manufacture, in massive WAR PREPARATION and maintenance, to solve ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD, including POVERTY, HUNGER, to have clean water, basic education, health care, adequate food supplies, adequate housing, and a means to make a living, FOR EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.

    The numbers are available and I can do research and supply them if you don’t believe this. Many organizations have done serious research on this, but you won’t get their result in the mainstream media, most of which is OWNED by corporations that PROFIT FROM WAR.

    Even communist and socialist governments, who profess to actually believe in more equitable social structures, invest enormous amounts of money in military preparation, often at the cost of their own economic destruction (like the former USSR).

    So, once again, we need to change focus, such as we need to switch from PATRIARCHAL thinking to matriarchal, earth-centered, people-centered thinking.

    Men are naturally competitive, but so are women. The problem is, men have come to believe competition is war…that the aim is to eliminate the competition that all means allowed.

    This state of mind, along with a cosmology of separation (from all life) causes UNIVERSAL FEAR, and fear has its own tyrannical requirements: It DEMANDS control and dominant power, which DEMAND the rise and establishment of PATRIARCHAL SOCIAL STRUCTURES that are hierarchical, pyramidal (power at the top), coercive, exploitative and oppressive, and above all FEARFUL and engendering ever more fear.

    The world has become a place run by fear…with an inordinate amount of energy directed towards establishing total surveillance, passing laws that control everyone’s behavior and possibly thoughts, and expending military capabilities towards the goal of achieving absolute might.

    And this is THE REAL REASONS many people are starving in the world, and many more are poor, uneducated, struggling…FEAR, PATRIARCHAL THINKING AND POWER STRUCTURES, and WAR, WAR, WAR!

    Let’s talk about this!

    • Blanca

      Let me see, from what I understand, if I take from you, someone will take from me since my “taking” implies I believe there is simply not enough, Therefore I will keep running into people who are convinced there is a lack of and who will take from me.

      Long lasting government systems throughoug history have always kept the population obedient by stating that as there is hardly enough for all, their job is to make sure everyone getas at least a bit of something, while keeping the largest shares for the elite.

      Shorter experiments in government resulted in feeling that as thre elite had too much, there would be no more elite and everyone would get their share. Then they gave people a bit of all and spent the rest on weapons because deep donw they believed the rest of the world was coming after them because it was the rest of the world lacking something.

      Different perspectives, both declaring the same “there is not enough” mentality.

      Not surprising that on the long run, neither is working for humanity. Limited mentality leads to limited thinking, thern limited ideas and in the end, the whole system starves itself.

      So I a do agree with you, what is needed is a change in perspective: There is always plenty and more than enough for each. Whatever is “lost” will be regained, so stop worrying and stop accumulating.

      Yep, a threat to governments based on convicng the people there is simply not enough.

      • mewabe

        Thanks Blanca for responding to my two comments at once…yes these two comments should have been one comment: scarcity thinking leads to fear, which leads to accumulation and extreme competition, which leads to patriarchy (top down power, extreme control, coercion) and war.

        It’s all one big knot, which needs to be undone as it is completely unnecessary and very destructive.

        • Blanca

          Couldn’t agree more, nothing is lost that cannot be reagained and there is a lack of nothing.
          This alone is the mentality to end fear and war.

  • Carina

    As I have just read in CWG Book 2 people in America have lost sight of the “one nation under God..indivisible..with liberty and justice for all” goal. So many are out for only themselves. Enough is never enough. If we raise spiritual consciousness in enough people..they would see this and seek to change the way things have become. Not only in America..but for all humanity. We are all one..are we not?

    • Michael L

      Yes we are.

  • mewabe

    It may be interesting to note that while some ideologues defend the right of the elite to be adequately compensated (with endless millions when possible), the VERY same ideologues seek to do completely do away with the minimum wage for ordinary workers!

    They defend the right of the rich to become obscenely rich while they dismantle unions, want no minimum wage, and try to block all efforts by the working poor and anyone under them to make an adequate living.

    So the problem here is not just that there are very wealthy people…that’s not a problem in itself. The problem is that THOSE AT THE TOP DO ALL IN THEIR POWER TO KEEP THOSE AT THE BOTTOM WHERE THERE ARE, or even lower.

    That’s the sickness. And it’s a class war WAGED BY THE TOP against the bottom.

    • Michael L

      mewabe,

      Folks are waking up and have been, just be patient.
      I’m a half full kind of guy.

  • Chris von der Mehden

    I think the biggest gift our current economic situation has in store for us is the opportunity to really experience “We are all one”. We’re starting to suspect it, we’re starting to think maybe it’s true, but until we really get it, until we truly experience, live, and breathe that simple truth, the gap will just keep getting bigger. We’re collectively creating the gap so that we can collectively undergo a revolution in government, economic policies, and the me-first, survival-based way in which we live our lives. On the other side of the gap is a beautiful world that we’re all creating this very moment.

  • Stephen mills

    Capitalism naturally leads to monopoly,s .With fewer competitors in the market place the better it is for there bottom line and the less choice people have of where to spend there money.

    Should it be this way ,No because there are no shoulds in the universe but we are observing what is so .The gap,s are widening between the rich and poor all the time at a very fast rate if you want to see the consequence of this a good pace to start is the book the Spirit Level it gives you all the data on this and let,s you see the consequences of following our cultural myth,s.

    Does this represent us as a society ? ,I for one think not this is not who we are and we will come around to realise our mistakes and the thinking that produced such a life denying culture that values stuff more than spirit.

  • Susan Knights

    Neale – I don’t live in the US. I live in the UK and I don’t have the stats (ignorance on my part). However I imagine there is a similar trend. I don’t have a problem with people who are successful. It’s what they do with their success that matters. Some of the most successful people I know are the most generous. They recognise they are fortunate and choose to share that success with others. I cannot, however, tolerate greed and selfishness on either an individual or corporate level. I currently have first hand experience of this. I am working with a group of people to raise £5 million in our diocese to look after our sick and retired priests due to the pension fund not delivering. I fully appreciate there are many reasons why the funds haven’t performed but I now find myself having to ask every day people, who don’t have too much, to commit to regular payment for the next four years. If we don’t raise this we can’t provide for our priests. I know the good souls in my faith community will find the money but you can bet the people who advised or managed the funds won’t be digging into their pockets! Sadly our society has lost its’ way. The marketing frenzy says you can have anything you want, when you want it and that will make you happy. All that’s done is create greed, selfishness and debt. It certainly hasn’t created happiness! I’m not sure you can change the current adult population but if we don’t stop the rot then the divide will get bigger. However I do believe you could make a difference by educating the next generation differently. They need to know that we are all one and that what you do unto others you do unto yourself. When this is understood we will experience heaven on earth. Susan.

    • mewabe

      Sorry to barge in, but I don’t think that any society has lost its, way, they never had it.

      Look at the past…the middle ages, the days of empires, the abject poverty of the populace in all the centuries…I don’t think marketing has created greed, it has simply found a way to make it extremely profitable.

      Greed comes from fear, which comes from a scarcity consciousness, the belief that the pie isn’t big enough for all, and that I can only get mine if I block you from getting yours.

      That’s what a class war is all about, and that’s why it has been very effectively waged by the very rich against everyone else, except for the need by those who are in power economically to compensate people for their work just enough so they don’t revolt.

      • s463tw

        Even modern economics is based on the belief that there is not enough to go around. The belief in scarcity is fundamental to our western culture. Can that belief be shifted?

  • Daniel

    I believe in Japan they pay their CEO’s much less as a multiple of the lowest earners in a company and this allows for companies to prevent ‘letting so many go’ , I guess in turn this has a knock on effect because people may have a job for life, it may mean people may not have to worry so much about finances and may lead to more a harmonious family life. Or relationships – could this be considered spiritual significant? If I’m factually wrong about Japanese CEOS, I do think I read it somewhere, wouldn’t taking a little less make someones life easier at the bottom. If I remember correctly CWG states ‘Live simply so others may simply live’.

    • Michael L

      Daniel, I agree that each segments of our world societies have different scales.

      What seems to be missing usually is the idea that what I do to another I do to my self, especially at those high top corporate and Government echelons.

      So what I see is a majority of folks living simply, (some call it blindly). They help others when they can and love there fellow humankind.

      • Daniel

        I see the majority of folks living in consumption or the aspiration of consumption to a lesser or greater degree, me included. I don’t mean to be harsh.

  • mewabe

    For all our talk about evolutionary consciousness, we share many, many traits with our cousins the animals, from predation, greed, fear, dominance and competitiveness (as seen in carnivorous mammals) to industriousness and cooperation (bees, ants), to tribalism and sacrifice (prairies dogs colonies).

    So the ultimate question, as asked by Neale and many others, is what do we want to be, taking into consideration our animal nature and the needs for our consciousness to evolve, and not when we grow up and move on to Heaven or to Neptune, but here and now, in this earthly realm?

    And while asking this question, we need to be reminded that we cannot BE, or exist, in a vacuum…we only exist in RELATION to something. So what do we want to be IN RELATION, and preferably harmonious relation, to this aspect of divine creation (the earth and all of its elements and creatures)?

    How can we live in harmony with “all our relations” (meaning with ALL LIFE)?

    In order to know what we want to be, we must remember what we are…and that we have animal traits, or animals have our traits, at any rate we are eerily similar, and would greatly learn about our own nature by observing the nature around us, as did Native Americans among others, who learned to be human by not fighting or resisting their own human nature, but by enhancing it whenever possible.

  • NaTasha Peterson-Richardson

    Yes, there is a spiritual reason for, & value in, a society working to reduce the gap between its highest, middle, and lowest income brackets. Because, The most influential
    Principle of violence in a society has been proven to be the degree of inequality in that society. Everything negative increases as the gap of inequality increases in all societies. Eg. Obesity, imprisonment, crime, drug abuse are all less in more equal countries. Mental illness, education, life expectancy higher in more equal countries… Just to name a few of the expected benefits

  • wirch

    Of course there is. Here’s the problem a conscious shift in the thinking of the elite needs to occur. But we are dealing with people who are mentally ill.

  • mewabe

    Did you know that one of the first thing Native American parents
    taught their children was to give away their most priced possession, so
    they may learn generosity and not to be so attached to physical things?

    All you had to do if you wanted something from an old school Native
    American was to say how much you admired it…off would come the
    traditional buskin shirt, the moccasins, and immediately and without a
    second thought you would be given beaded bags, a pipe, anything and
    everything you liked. Additionally, they had periodic give away
    ceremonies, during which those who had much gave away their possessions
    to others.

    When you publicly honor generosity, as Native American did (they did
    not admire wealth and the wealthy like we do, but they publicly honored
    the most generous people among them), you create a cultural and social
    framework that encourages equity among the people.

    It’s simple, really…you feed what works, and you starve what does
    not work. You feed generosity, you starve greed and selfishness, in
    yourself and in society. You elevate those who are generous, wise,
    courageous, humble, who always place the good of the people before their
    own, to the highest positions in society and government, as did Native
    Americans, rather than admiring, rewarding and electing the ambitious,
    the ruthless, the cut throat, the clever and sly manipulator, the winner
    of the rat race and other sociopaths as we do.

    What is so complicated about this? All we need is to realize how our
    minds have been conditioned to think this is the way things are, and
    change them.

    In the final analysis, it’s all about culture…change your mind and you will change your culture.

    • LeiLani MacGregor

      Mewabe…I found your remarks very enlightening and informative and feel hopeful for society after reading them ;*)) Thank you

      • mewabe

        Thank you LeiLani!

      • moonheart

        Mewabe, I was thinking about this ceremony or practice of giveaway when I saw your posts above. Perhaps we as a society need to institute this practice again. Gather once or a few times a year, and bring everything to a central location (maybe where some folks in need are gathered) and give everything away. Maybe this could create the movement, generate the energy that is needed for change of heart around money. I’ve been poor for almost all of my 51 years, had a lot of time to think about the meaning (or lack of meaning) of “things.”

        • mewabe

          Moonheart, thank you for your contribution…
          I think this give away ceremony was a visible expression of Native American spiritual and human values…of what was in their heart.

          It is said that many Native Americans failed at businesses such as owning a store, because when another tribal member would come in and say “cousin, I can’t pay you now, but I need some food for my family”, the owner would never say no. Soon, he lost his store, while understanding that his traditional culture did not prepare him to be a businessman, to have a cold, uncaring heart.

          Native Americans were never into profit and personal wealth, but into sharing. They were tribal, and in some respects near perfect Christians until the Churches came along and contributed in destroying their Christian ways.

          How communal do we want to be? Which values will we choose? Are we ready to cooperate and share? So far, the survival of the fittest model has proven to cause everyone to feel alienated and miserable (even the wealthy…some of whom are loosing children to suicide, drug addictions, etc).

          There are grass root movements that seem to indicate a shift in consciousness, a desire to move towards cooperation. A new society may slowly being born, and yes I agree that such ceremonies would reinforced values of generosity, altruism, non attachment to physical possessions and compassion for those in needs.

          But it would, I think, be important to publicly honor those who display such qualities, as part of such ceremonies. The rewards are ultimately spiritual, yet such honoring would create strong community bonds and a sense of belonging, which is very healthy for the individual and for society.

    • hempwise

      …one of the things we have learned in our sobriety is the only way we can keep what we have ,or feeling good about ourselves ,is to give it away.

      Harold Belmont , Suquamish /Songee

      Thanks Mewabe your posts get to the core of the problems we face .

      • mewabe

        Thank you Hempwise

  • Jimmy Hammer

    The question is are the ones at the top getting paid too much, or are the ones at the bottom getting paid too little? One of the richest families in America, the Walton family (WalMart) said yesterday that they would stop building three new stores in the DC area because a higher minimum wage law was passed there.

    • mewabe

      Some of the wealthiest families, by their despicable behavior such as you report, seem to crave being hated by ordinary people.

      But this is probably because they hate ordinary people, which they consider to be riffraff and worthless, and below animals.

      Aristocrats might no longer exist officially, but the mentality has not disappeared.
      There is however absolutely no nobility in greed and ruthlessness, a fact most of the extremely wealthy and those who admire them seem to totally miss.

    • Michael L

      High Jimmy,
      Just wanted to add, that the Government decided just for non union large box stores to make them pay 1/3rd more to their workers, then unionized box stores.
      So I have a thought, lets stop forcing folks to conform to what we think is right, and let it play out in the perfect moment of now.

    • Trisha

      How rich do the Waltons really need to be anyway?

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    • Christopher Toft

      Woah that’s deep;)

    • Awareness

      “STILLNESS SPEAKS” – Eckhart Tolle 🙂

  • spongebob

    Would we be able to improvise this article … ?

    would we be able to influence those on the top levels of Income pyramid (Earning 273 times more than average worker ) To give a thought to this … ?

    Some of them acting under their deep psychological fears will give in their all to prevent this change.. !

    When they are the more influential ones in world’s politico-Economics ?

    This article does gives Hope…

    • spongebob

      African proverb may be

      If you want to go fast go alone,

      If you want to to go far go together . …

  • Blanca

    The bottom line for this “need” to accumulate comes down to what it has always been: Identity.
    Firstly: do you believe you ARE the body or do you believe you ARE the life in that body?

    The body (and the mind that helps it relate to the world) are conviced there is a separateness from ALL. Therefore to be safe they must posses ALL they see. No matter if they will naver make use of it anyway.

    The life animating the body and the mind, also called soil, knows it IS ALL, so needs to posses nothing, as there is nothing outside it to be “posssed”. I remember “Imagine no possesions. I wonder if you can”. That’s the soul’s perspective.

    Agreed the body and mind are needed to experience this world and must be taken care of, but hoarding stuff (money, clothes, real estate, etc.” will never truly satisfy the body and mind because it will not eliminate the sense of “separateness” that creates the need to hoard anyway,.

    SO, a shift on identity: I am NOT my body, I AM the soul. a REAL feel of this TRUE identity in ALL, that is enough to stop the hoarding. After all, a salary that will never be spent on clothes you may never use is hoarding.

  • Michael L

    Freedom has been spoken here and we all know it is God.

    Are some humans forgetful of what freedom means, yes.

    But as God holds no one back from screaming fire in a crowded theater, just as she would hold no judgement. How as Gods ourselves, can we even think to curtail even that freedom.

    I have never felt freedom as oppression.

    Could someone explain to me how God= oppression. This is getting confusing.

    • mewabe

      I think the object is not to oppress or coerce people, but to change our fundamental values so we no longer admire and worship wealth and power and reward the winners of the rat race by giving them the highest positions in society and government, but publicly honor and reward generosity, altruism, humility, wisdom, compassion, etc, beginning in young children.

      See my comment about Native American cultures below. Most never used coercion and were some of the freest people on the planet. While most Indo-Europeans (“Caucasians”) where still frightening and beating their children into submission, they had long practiced positive reinforcement and empowerment. Yet, according to testimonies such as that of George Catlin, Native American children were very well behaved, non confrontational, responsible, and matured much faster, all of it without punishment, fear or coercion.

      It seems that in the long process of becoming “civilized” and religious (as opposed to spiritual), and through centuries of terrible, brutal oppression under kingdoms and emperors, much of humanity, particularly Europeans, lost the practical understanding of how to be human.

      • NealeDonaldWalsch

        Mewabe….WOW….you have said it perfectly here. Wow. YES. “The object is not to oppress or coerce people, but to change our fundamental
        values so we no longer admire and worship wealth and power and reward
        the winners of the rat race by giving them the highest positions in
        society and government, but publicly honor and reward generosity,
        altruism, humility, wisdom, compassion, etc, beginning in young
        children.” YES. That is the point, precisely.

        • mewabe

          Thank you Neale…

          • Tom Fowler

            So how do you change people’s values? Through persuasion, No? Persuasion includes an active approach of working to change another ‘s belief, position or course of action through argument, entreaty, or expostulation. So isn’t it necessary to force the truth in front of those who would rather not hear it? Not to the extent of coercion, but an active truth in your face approach. Please help me understand where that could be ineffective or counter productive. I’m simply trying to help, please don’t take my comments as unduly aggressive. Thanks

          • mewabe

            I think that the only real hope is in the next generations.

            As far as changing people’s beliefs today, I think it can only be done through mutually respectful dialogue and being as clear and eloquent as you possibly can, not through debates, arguments and attempting to prove another person’s beliefs or ideas wrong.

            A “truth in your face” approach can only cause defensive reactions…RESPECT is extremely important, to keep hearts and minds open and receptive.

            I often express myself strongly here, because it can be fun, but this is not the way I would do it if I was attempting to approach a person with diametrically opposed views.

            First I would hear what this person has to say, without any interruptions. Then I would seek commonality, where and how our worldviews and goals are similar (there is always some commonality, if you listen carefully to what another person expresses, even if you have to read between the lines). Then I would gently offer suggestions where there are differences.

            I think that when you approach a person with the obvious goal of changing this person’s beliefs, you immediately create a 20 foot wall, which is to be expected. On the other hand, if your stated goal is respectful dialogue, you might actually open this person to new ideas.

          • Tom Fowler

            There is an “art” to pursuasion that runs along the lines of what you say. I do, however, respectfully disagree in the notion that future generations have hope beyond those of now. Time is of the essence, we are in a critical window of opportunity. I think we have months and maybe years, not generations.

            That being said, stroking someone’s Ill founded beliefs in an attempt to not offend them has proven ineffective. The other side, that would be the “enemy” to enlightenment, has no qualms about offending their opposition. To the point of murder they will go to shut down your attempt to spread truth and understanding if it is seen you are making a difference.

            But there are many approaches I’m sure. All with their own bit of effectiveness and all helping the cause, but again, with all due respect, the airy-fairy approach to enlightening people who have no reason to care about what you’re saying, cause “Hey, I can’t see the Great Pacific Garbage Patch from where I am so don’t bother me with your negativity, I’m waiting to hear what the Zimmeman verdict’s gonna be”– needs a revolution of its’ own.

            The truth can not be stopped. If another’s truth is inaccurate, it’s false, end of story. Of course there are individual truths that may be for one and not another. There are an abundance of simple truths right in front of our eyes that cause all sorts of dysfunctions in the minds of so many, things we all can agree are True. For example: There is no Santa Clause as it is taught to our children. The belief in such an entity is a false belief, and why would anyone need false beliefs in an enlightened society? Rationalize all you want, but the truth is the truth. So it is my intention not to allow falsehoods to be sold as truths, and it is also my understanding that the truth will ultimately heal. A human being operating under false pretense’s is a victim in my book, and If I can cause them to see the light, I will.

          • Michael L

            Hi Tom,
            Just read your idea of truth.

            A question?

            As science has proved that the only real truth is how you personally see things, what in your world is a group truth?

            In my world of thought there is only like 3 things that are absolutely true.

            Love is all there is, we are all one part of the whole thing called life. and giving unconditional love is the highest purpose there is.

            Mostly everything else is just retaliative.(up has to have down to know itself as up.)

          • Tom Fowler

            Fair enough. A group truth would be for example- There is no Santa Clause human being that fly’s on a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer and carrying toys and gifts to be given to the children he’s been watching throughout the year, and it goes on and on with false claims, lies, deceit, etc.. Face it, it is lying to your children and then undoubtedly they do find out, so not only have all the parents efforts throughout the years gone to Clause, but now kids see parents as willing and able to lie to them. It’s a lose lose for everyone.

            To be honest, my focus is stopping the destruction of this planet and the abuse of the life on it. This can be achieved by shutting down the current system of waste and abuse of humans and resources. Unfortunately for some, this entails spoiling the current belief system. And what better way to spoil a lie than with the truth. So be it.

          • mewabe

            Hey you and I share the same goal Tom…

            But can the end of the abuse of the planet and people come without love?

            Will people be motivated to save the natural environment if they do not love it?…Or if they love the stuff we produce more, stuff that destroys it?

            Will people care about ending poverty if they feel no kinship and no love for their fellow humans? Or if they treasure the products of exploitation more than they love people?

            Some may be motivated to end the destruction out of fear. But fear is never the right motivation, long term, it only works short term, the same as coercion.

            Can love be forced? It cannot. That’s why an evolution of consciousness is required, which can be triggered, but never forced.

            The best way to trigger an evolution, in my opinion, is to speak from your hart and soul, to reach those who can be reached in their hearts and souls.

            That’s what all effective leaders do, by the way, they INSPIRE and MOVE people, they reach them at a deep level.

          • Tom Fowler

            I completely agree.

            Truth leads to understanding. I believe persuading one to understand a truth takes an active effort, and respectful I agree.

            Some people refuse to hear the truth, which is fine, unless your taking part in activities that are harming the (speciesystem), then as loving beings who have made a decision about who we are in regards to harming our environment, we, as we would with a family member, intervene and share our highest truths in an effort to allow our sibling to understand and ‘see the light’. As it stands in society, the truth is hidden, literally. I believe it’s going to take an extraordinary effort, and yes, for me, an actively aggressive approach.

          • mewabe

            I agree, some intervention is often needed to stop an ongoing destructive pattern. That’s what activism is all about today, and I am an active participant. This works short term for emergencies.
            Long term, we need a global change of consciousness.

            I think the natural environment will trigger this change very soon, as the time gap between our actions and their consequences on the natural world is rapidly decreasing, because the earth no longer has much of a threshold of tolerance to environmental abuse.

            Intervention or activism could be called “aggressive”, but aggressivity is not necessarily negative. For example, it takes a certain amount of aggressivity, or vigor, for a germinating plant to emerge from the soil, for an infant to come out of its mother, even for our hair to grow.

          • Victor

            I am often in the middle of these two approaches about the ´how´ to help evolution:

            Not to be too much “airy-fairy” and too ´respectful´ which leads to
            do nothing or to to make things that don´t work at all, or not enough; and not to be too much forceful or aggressive because coertion in the end also doesn´t work at all, and besides can develop to be counter productive.

            So, what would it be the equilibrium point? Certainly, I don´t know…

            As Tom and you have suggested, I´m pretty persuaded that some kind of intervention, no matter how respecful, loving or compassionate for who don´t agree it is, would be needed. It will always arise opposition, defensiveness, and even brutal force opposition from who don´t share the new truths. Because for them they will be just lies.

            If we make a global movement for stopping word contamination or pollution, you can bet that transnational corporations will strongly try to stop you, no matter how compassionate or respectful you are with them…

            If you want to stop, or at least diminish the military budgets all
            over the world, you can bet that the military-industrial complex will try to stop YOU no matter the means.

            Of course that the movement of civil rights promoted by Martin Luther King Jr. and many others like him, no matter how kind, loving or respectful they were, offended and violated deep beliefs and assumptions of many, many people everywhere, including many kind, loving and
            compassionate people, but at the time, racist people. Of course many racist people would see MLK as an ´offender of the law, the order stablished by God, tradition, and all our deep values…´. If MLK would have to have waited till racist people ´would raise their consciousness,
            because you can´t force change…´ he´d do nothing, and perhaps afroamerican people in the USA would be in the same stage as 100 years ago… And I´m aware that the Civil Rights Movement didn´t solve racism,
            nor prejudices in USA, but of course, anybody could not deny, that there was a very important advance…

            So, when is intervention too much? When is it too little?

            That´s a kind of big question for me…

            Will we have to wait till a riot of protesters burn a bunch of
            things, or that a violent revolution arise here and there, for stoping
            and changing very obvious things that don´t work in our world, because
            there are so many for whom these things are not so obvious?

            I´m inclined to think that some kind of yes, peaceful, respectful,
            loving, considered, intervention will be needed, but intervention at the end, no matter how many people think or feel that they´re being kicked in the ass…

            Peaceful, gentle Revolution, yes, but there will be always some
            people that will feel that they´re being injured, abused, forced,
            coerced, damaged, robbed, etc. No matter how for the well-being of all, ncluding them! this Revolution would be.

            I think it´s the story of every step of evolution, natural or cultural. Evolution occurs, no matter what or who is injured, or left behind… Of course, sounds cruel, and it has not to be this way in the Evolution Revolution we´re involved, but the other side, to be too punctillous or touchy, that absolutely nothing gets ´harmed´ in any way, including an imagined way, I think it´s not the point, neither…

          • mewabe

            The problem is that even when the people are not being violent, abusive governments, governments that abuse their power such as the US government, make resistance illegal with ever more laws.

            As an example: it is now illegal for animal right activists to VIDEOTAPE animal abuses in factory farms or laboratories, even though these abuses are illegal. So while these videotapes are crucial tools and most often THE ONLY WAY to end such abuses, given the fact that THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS WHEN IT COMES TO BIG BUSINESS, now the people’s hands are tied.

            As ever greater oppression and control is exercised on populations by abusive, tyrannical governments and their corporate/banking bosses, SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE, AND IT WILL!

            The problem is that it will most likely come from anger, and may be channeled into actions that will not be very constructive, and that will probably lead to more control, more tyranny.

            I believe that people have to be willing to put their lives on the line, and to disregard certain laws when these laws are illegitimate and abusive. But they have to do it intelligently.

            The greatest weapons in our world today are words…these is a war of words, a clever ideological war that is waged by the corporate-controlled media, whose purpose is to protect the status quo.

            So activism, and change, must come with powerful, valid actions charged with powerful and well defined, well stated idea and goals.

            Ideas without actions, or actions without clear ideas, are a waste.
            The two together will change the world.

            A conversation, a dialogue is a good start…BUT ACTION MUST BE TAKEN, or else we are just peeing in the wind.

          • Michael L

            Then Tom,

            What would this universal godlike truth be.

            Which gives all humans a chance to change their thoughts.

            Would it not be as mewabe suggests love, as the key.

            Bring folks into a loving environment, that you express, instead of telling them to move that way.

            Just a thought.
            Good loving.

          • Tom Fowler

            Evolution is constant. It’s a matter of how we are choosing to evolve in every moment. Simple honesty provides a path to a loving evolution. . . . . . . . This is all extremely well articulated through the CWG books, as well as several other amazing sources. I am not a substitute for that information.

          • Victor

            Hi Tom,

            I am often in the middle of these two approaches about the ´how´ to help evolution:

            Not to be too much “airy-fairy” and too ´respectful´ which leads to do nothing or to to make things that don´t work at all, or not enough; and not to be too much forceful or aggressive because coertion in the end also doesn´t work at all, and besides can develop to counter productive.

            So, what would it be the equilibrium point? Certainly, I don´t know…

            As Mewabe and you have suggested, I´m pretty persuaded that some kind of intervention, no matter how respecful, loving or compassionate for who don´t agree it is, would be needed. It will always arise opposition, defensiveness, and even brutal force opposition from who don´t share the new truths. Because for them they will be just lies.

            If we make a global movement for stopping word contamination or pollution, you can bet that transnational corporations will strongly try to stop you, no matter how compassionate or respectful you are with them…

            If you want to stop, or at least diminish the military budgets all over the world, you can bet that the military-industrial complex will try to stop YOU no matter the means.

            Of course that the movement of civil rights promoted by Martin Luther King Jr. and many others like him, no matter how kind, loving or respectful they were, offended and violated deep beliefs and assumptions of many, many people everywhere, including many kind, loving and compassionate people, but at the time, racist people. Of course many racist people would see MLK as an ´offender of the law, the order stablished by God, tradition, and all our deep values…´. If MLK would have to have waited till racist people ´would raise their consciousness, because you can´t force change…´ he´d do nothing, and perhaps afroamerican people in the USA would be in the same stage as 100 years ago… And I´m aware the the Civil Rights Movement didn´t solve racism, nor prejudices in USA, but of course, anybody could deny, that there was a very important advance…

            So, when is intervention too much? When is it too little?

            That´s a kind of big question for me…

            Will we have to wait till a riot of protesters burn a bunch of things, or that a violent revolution arise here and there, for stoping and changing very obvious things that don´t work in our world, because there are so many for whom these things are not so obvious?

            I´m inclined to think that some kind of yes, peaceful, respectful, loving, considered, intervention will be needed, but intervention at the end, no matter how many people think or feel that they´re being kicked in the ass…

            Peaceful, gentle Revolution, yes, but there will be always some people that will feel that they´re being injured, abused, forced, coerced, damaged, robbed, etc. No matter how for the well-being of all, including them! this Revolution would be.

            I think it´s the story of every step of evolution, natural or cultural.

          • Tom Fowler

            Hi Victor,

            Great points and well said, thank you!
            Your question is when is intervention too much or too little?

            I don’t know.

            There is much to be accomplished in the way of creating a new world for ourselves, and it’s up to us to organize and make these decisions.

            I will say though, for my own individual self; Too many circumstances coincide in existence at this time for me to deny what needs to be accomplished. I believe time is of the essence. I believe there are people hell-bent on further denigrating the human experience. These people have never had reason to think their point of view may be wrong, that they are actually harming themselves through their interpretation of life. These people aren’t lost causes, and obviously not guilty. They are victims of misinformation forced into their minds by the ‘gods’ in their lives. This has been going on for thousands of years. Now, of course, we have environmental pollution, genetically modified foods and weather modification, the stakes have gotten higher. The passive approach to changing the ruling class is not an option.
            It’s a choice. We know it doesn’t really matter. This is one of millions of planets in the universes, billions even. Life will continue if we blow ourselves up. But I can’t get over the fact that we ARE here NOW. And there has been so many loving efforts by our ‘brethren’ to create this opportunity for us. This technology and communication. The teachers and masters that persistently push this agenda, and the painfully obvious realities of ignoring those truths, simple as they are.
            The Earth, the Humans, the Plantlife, the Animals and Insects, the Ecosystem, the Solar System etc., all the synergy, it is so absolutely amazing. To deny it is to be a fool, and to insist and persist on continuing in that denial is, in my book, cause for expulsion. So to answer your question Victor, after a long winded attempt not to, if I have to pull someone’s eyelids open with my bare hands, I will.

          • Victor

            Thank you Tom,

            The last part of your comment remembered me that Yesterday I was joking with Neale in this way:

            Remember that neither oppression, nor suffering, nor damage are
            real… They´re just illusions… Constructions of our mind. They´re
            not real. Soooo… no matter, everything is perfect here and now as it
            is, and there´s nothing we have to do… The world is perfectly fine as
            it is, so let each one to rejoice in his own manner. If there are
            ´losers´, it is because they have ´loser consciousness´, and it is their
            own choice. Or their karmic choice. Or their soul´s choice, so this is
            their own path and election. They just don´t know nor use the law of
            attraction nor the Secret, and we don´t have the right to interfere nor
            influence, nor “force”, another soul´s path…

            So, let it be. Everything will rearrange itself by ways of automatic
            evolution, so no matter. If something is meant to be transformed,
            Evolution will do by her own means.

            (A little bit of New-Age sarcasm… I hope nobody minds…)”

          • mewabe

            Unfortunately, this is the way a lot of new-agers think, which works perfectly well with “laisser fair capitalism” and social Darwinism, and with any sort of abuse, exploitation and victimization.

            After all, if a woman gets rape, it’s because she has a “rape-victim mentality”, so she attracted it…or it is because of karma…she was a rapist in a past life, so now she has chosen to have a taste of her own medicine, for her own good, her own evolution…this is a new twist on the old strategy of denying that there is a victim, or ignoring the incident, and if these strategies fail, blaming the victim!

            It’s a cop-out, something those who feel guilt use to alleviate their guilty feelings, and to justify total irresponsibility for anything but their own lives…it works admirably well with the basic selfishness of our global civilization, with the law of the survival of the fittest and for people who are exclusively self-absorbed, giving pseudo-spiritual validation to a complete lack of concern, care and compassion towards others.

          • mewabe

            Tom, you have to do what works for you, or at least try. You need not convince me of the validity of your approach, you only need to believe in it, and if you do, it might work…and if it don’t, you will adjust it.

            I only want to point out that you interpreted what I wrote, rather than reading it clearly. My approach is not about stroking someone’s ill founded beliefs, or a “airy-fairy” approach, but about respect, as opposed to attack, which causes defense.

            I think that In order to convince another person, you need to understand the motivation, the reason behind their beliefs. Once you do, you can decide whether the person has a death grip on his/her belief system, is expressing some psychological issue (rage, fear, paranoia, hatred) or could be open to different ideas.

            I do not see an “other side” or “enemy”. What I see is that the only enemies to dialogue and change are separation and fear, and separation and fear are on every side.

          • Tom Fowler

            Thank you. And nothing personal, of course.

      • Michelle S

        Mewabe – well said. My first thought as I was reading Neale’s blog and the questions he posed was that the Native Americans (and most likely tribes in other countries) were already doing this.

  • Tom Fowler

    (addendum to a post I made a couple days ago)
    As I reflected on this conversation, I realized the point of my comment. And that point is — ” MAKE NOISE”!!

    “Stop being quiet about all this. Speak up. Raise a ruckus. Raise the issues. You might even raise some collective consciousness.”- CWG book 3 pg. 293

    There is no doubt that such activity “WILL” raise collective consciousness!

    “Sometimes man must go to war to make the grandest statement about who man truly is: he who abhors war.
    There are times when you may have to give up Who You Are in order to be Who You Are.
    There are Masters who have taught: you cannot have it all until you are willing to give it all up.
    Thus, in order to “have” yourself as a man of peace, you may have to give up the idea of yourself as a man who never goes to war. History has called upon men for such decisions.”- CWG book 1 pg. 133

    So Yes, Let’s Get In The Faces Of The Enemy and Make Some Noise!!!

    Some are willing to “force” their will on everyone, everyday, everywhere and DESTROY OUR SPECIESYSTEM in the meantime. So let’s get Serious. The time has come to crush their primitive mindsets with,,,,wait for it,,,, wait for it,,,, THE TRUTH! (any and all truths) Warning: The truth will cause discomfort for most passengers, it is highly recommended that you make any and all necessary adjustments to your understandings to avoid further discomfort.

    “Do you see the balance?”,
    “of course. It is ingenious.”,
    “Thank you. Now please quit destroying it.” CWG 3 pg. 291
    Now?
    Peace out

  • NealeDonaldWalsch

    Please read the notice about external links at the bottom of my entry above. Thank you to all. Love… Neale.

  • Michael L

    Wonderfully added idea.

    Thank you Daniel.

  • Tracey

    I’ve felt this for years. I’ve been one of those at the bottom(I call it the foundation of a compny) that is paid minimum wage and does the hardest work. My theory is that we haven’t realized our self-worth, individually; hence, collectively. I recently found mine. I wirked for a business that paid minimum wage and the job was truly slave labor. I went to my boss and administrator, quit the job and told them “I’m worth more than that”. Yes, I quit with no other job to go to because I also found the respect for myself and I will no longer allow myself to be treated that way or put myself in a position like that. As others discover the value in themselves and others, the “foundations” of businesses will become stronger or crumble if the value hasn’t been realized and each person honored. When we begin to honor ourselves, others will honor and value us.

    • JoInGeorgia

      Tracey, you are worth millions. Bravo! Your thought process and your belief in yourself changed your life. You decided to accept nothing other than Divine Order and your greater good, and so it is. See my comment above.

  • Marij

    So many things that came up to share after reading your questions (Neal) and the ‘discussion” (not really conversation) above. To me, a very first step is to completely, honestly, acknowledge “what is”. The facts you offer “are”. From where I am, I see them as a sort of “proof” that as individuals or species we aren’t (in general) in a place of “love”, we don’t share “feelings of being the same, one-ness” and most certainly we don’t act in that way. Otherwise the world would look different, even although I don’t have a clue how the world would look like if “love” would be the way we as species would live our communal and unique lives.

    Apparently we -in general- hold believes that come from a different place. We (the majority of the collective ‘we’ anyways) seem conditioned to believe that how the world “operates” today is something that “just is”. At times we (in general) even have said, or still say, that a God, or Gods, must have wanted it this way. From where I am, I see the CEO holding on to his/(her) power, while others hold on to feelings of powerless-ness, inner rage or blame. In the Netherlands for example, many people blame “the” foreigners (muslims, antillians, the turks, the marocs) for just about everything. And yes, one also blames the bankers, the mangers, the rich, the elite, the papers, the media, the non-workers (!) etc. Everybody else than oneself is to blame. Everyone points to others. In reality we all are conditioned (more or less) similarly. Each and every ‘worker-level’ holds on to their job, their x-hollidays-a-year, their cars, chicken from the ‘intensive-chicken-farms-because it’s cheap’ etc etc. Companies spend tons of money on workshops about “passion” and “leadership” or even “being soulful in business”. But it’s not to basically change the “facts” you state, but ironically it seems they want to improve the way things currently work. To make things even more efficiently “wrong” as it where.

    Your questions ask about “a ‘society’ to reduce the gap”, “anything that can be done by ‘society’ “, “a ‘culture’ that seeks to promote ideas and ideals……that militate against current culture (my words). It’s my experience (and “belief”) that the only way anything is to change structurally, in the long term, is when individuals hold, embrace, live and breath different believes alltogether. “The society” and “culture” we see today is made up from believes some of us feel are not benificially anymore. I can only say that because that’s how it feels to me. So to me, the only FREE way to move into a different world is when individuals come to look at their believes -at their own time and hold different believes about the nature of being human. And when more and more people do that, I believe we won’t need this conversation anymore. Because if and when LOVE would reign, If and when people not only see who they are, but live like who we are (to become in this “skin” – as humans), we won’t create a world anymore like the one we live in today. What people do need though, are “living” examples – not additional theories, sects or mystics.

    In that light I want to add something even more personal. I am a Dutch women, 55 at the end of this month, and I’m really trying to live what I write about here. I have been a professional advisor, consultant, coach for over 20 years and came to the conclusion recently I can’t do that work anymore – at least not in the same fashion. Over time, as I expanded my own “consciousness”, I have experienced the resistance over and over again to look at believes and values with directors and managers and workers alike. In the setting of their organisations (profit, non-profit, government – you name it) they seem stuck in “how things work here” and to what “works for them” (I might add). It started even to feel like I am “dangerous” to them. They want me to make “others” change, make things more efficient / effective, but they don’t want to look at their core believes and values or to the impact of what they create. At least not immediately. I know that at times years later some people started to question themselves – and that’s great. I can’t “control” when someone is ready for self-questioning).
    My partner and I have come to the conclusion we have to really change what we do adn how we “do” it. For the last three years we also started a store with inspirational books, products (eco/sustainable/fair), inspiring exhibitions and some meetings to talk about things with inspirational authors. As an idea, it came out of the blue, but we hoped to inspire people to look at the choices one can make with different means. Moneywise, it didn’t work out. Not enough interest (and we did have great books and products :-); maybe we didn’t dare yet to go the whole mile as far as the meetings were concerned and also: products and even books is stille “more products to buy”. We decided to “let the store go” and tune in even more deeply into ourselves to resonate with what our next steps could/should be.

    One thing is clear though. We won’t go for anything less than living our “truth” (whatever that is). Even if that means we won’t get our old highly paid projects anymore. Even if that means we’ll have to leave our house, or my son will have to live (temporarily) with his father. People around us think we are a little bit crazy. They get a little bit anxious when we explain why. However, we feel like gétting crazy if we would not continue to follow our innermost desires and truth, and accept it means to find out how in a new way. To say we want society to change is one. But what we can do ourselves is at least live the life we say we want in the world. We don’t want to add to wrongfull believes around us anymore (or at least, we want to be conscious about what we do – and learn from it). And no, we don’t have a stack of Euro’s in the bank.

    We do talk with people (who ask) why we do what we do. Some ask about the why and “how are you going to live”. Some say “Oh, I would want to change, but “the chimney needs to smoke in order for me to provide for my family”. We have no idea yet where we “end up”, or how “work” is going to look like. Because the funny thing is that we do a lot of volonteer work in which we share our talents for free, but as society is today…..I can’t feed myself with that except for feeling grateful that I have some apparent talents to share.

    I’m sorry for this long story.
    We, my partner and I, are searching our way in this. I wish I could read some more personal stories here as to get inspired. Reading about or sharing “shoulds”, “musts” and great insights alone doesn’t change the world. We have to start with any change from within ourselves, and live whatever change, however small, ourselves to begin with (I believe). I do want to find ways to talk about things like this with people in my environment – and just found out clicking the blue button above might be of some help.

  • JoInGeorgia

    Neale, until recently I felt the jury was still out on this one, until…..a speaker came to our Unity Spiritual Center and shared her amazing journey with us and pointed out that she had never consciously EXPERIENCED Divine Order until she ASKED for it, and woke each morning and proclaimed “I now step into Divine Order,” as she rose from bed. I think we are a society that churches have ruled in the most insensitive way for thousands of years, leaving the people to believe they have no choices. When the members of our society realize they can Recontextualize and Rescript their lives, they will believe they can live in whatever level of abundance they choose for themselves, and EXPERIENCE their greater good and Divine Order. For those who believe what they have is all they deserve or will ever have, it will be. SEEING your life as abundant, is what makes it abundant. It has been proven the wealthy don’t see their lives as any other way than wealthy. For them, it’s an entitlement, so they grow wealthier. And many of our poorest citizens believe they will always be poor, so they become even more poor.

    Wasn’t it Jesus who said, “To those who have more will be given, and those who have not will receive nothing?”

  • poniesnpaint

    I’ve been reading the comments and there is much good thinking here. Mewabe is probably the one with whom I agree the most, since I try to maintain Native beliefs in my own life. They are, to me, more humane and more sane than anything else I’ve seen. The other great problem I see is the massivity of the world’s population. I believe this leads to much frustration as well, since the more people we have the more the tension escalates to “get more stuff” beyond what someone else has. The Native values work and work very well in any situation, but I do not believe humans were meant to live in cities of millions and call that satisfying. We need to be in smaller areas/groups and have smaller interactions in order to be able to see each other in real context, not in some film presentation telling us how bad things are.
    It is when we stop seeing each other as real humans that the uncaring unconcern begins and we then have the marginalization of anyone who doesn’t “fit” somehow. So teaching others to see things in a new light means making them aware FIRST of their own humanity. We cannot do, process, involve, legalize or otherwise something we cannot internalize into our own everyday lives. If we do not see ourselves as viable, how will we ever see someone else as viable? Not possible.
    So for myself, I’m an advocate of sensible population control, not wholesale birthing just for the fun of it. I am also an advocate of smaller living (physically, not spiritually) in order to find the humanity in others. However, as a resident of a small town, I do not mean to keep incorporating the nosy, do-gooder attitude that so often prevails, but get into smaller groups where each PERSON matters. I think then it would follow that we could begin to invoke the Native American teachings and make a better society — and not keep on perpetuating this mess we have.

    • Therese

      You might enjoy the book, “The Great Turning, from Empire to Earth Community” by David Korten, poniesnpaint.

  • Marlene Marie Linke

    If we create our own reality, then why indeed are there such enormous gap in earning capacity? If all the people who bought “The Secret” were avidly applying it’s principals, then the gap should surely have closed. But it hasn’t has it? Does it have something to do with the game being rigged? And, it’s a game of societal control. As the upper echelon engage us in an extreme game of covert re-direction, keeping us reeling and off balance because we live in a state of fear for our very existence. How long can that game of “the man is keeping me down” go on without creating a fertile ground for rebellion? There is some rebellion in the Occupy movement and other organizations. However, the masses are still playing within the game of smoke & mirrors. If the elite can keep us dumbed down, distracted and in a state of fear, we remain docile. I can’t see any immediate resolution except for either a great awakening (how does one cause that?), or a complete breakdown of the system; effectively hitting a restart button. As I continue to work my job day after day with little fulfillment, I often consider ditching all my belongings and going to go live in a Yurt!!!!

    • Victor

      Yes Marlene,

      Too many people everywhere tend to think about their economic situation as a result of their efforts, or lack of efforts. It´s and individual trouble, “it is all my fault” perspective. Or, “I´m not applying The Secret as I should”… Too many people everywhere don´t realize that they are pawns in a chess system designed for the benefit of the strongly wealthy and powerful.

      Or, if the victimization button is on, then it´s ´the government´s fault´, or other´s fault that don´t permit to take my right piece of the cake. But again, the core causes, and the center of the issue gets out of sight.

      For example, in the meantime many blame Obama, or Bush, or whoever, it is the Atlas job -in other words, almost impossible- that a critical mass of people realize that the most part of their country´s income is going to the military-war industry. For making wars everywhere, or maintaining military bases everywhere, or developing new weapons that will have to be used anywhere, for keeping the cash machine ringing. ´Oh, that´s ok, it´s for maintaining our homeland´s security´, will say.

      It´s almost impossible that a majority of US people -and in the world- can see the absurdity and negativity of this for everybody, a so obvious thing. ´That´s how it must be, that guarantees the greatness of my nation, so be it´, many many think, and you have an enormous machinery of propaganda via media, religion, education, and culture, reinforcing that day after day.

      If so many can´t understand a so simple thing, how can we pretend that many understand how this economy functions, and why do we live in a system that rewards greed, competition, “to the winner go the spoils”, and all cost ´success´, no matter how many are left behind…? And most principally, how many have to suffer abject poverty, misery, and indignity all over the world to maintain this system functioning…?

      I also can´t see any inmediate resolution, but I think that the way involves some parts of rebellion, activism, spreading truths, awareness, and intervention of critical masses of people. As soon as possible. Yes, in my oppinion, some leadership of different kinds will be needed, though leadership in the bottom is perhaps an obnoxious thing. But in our current stage of development it would be necessary.

      The most important, IMO, the gathering, the sinergy, the joining of several trends of similar radical (radical means ´from the rooth´) movements of change and transformation in communities, regions, countries, and ultimately the world. For gaining momentum, energy and strength for change. For catalizing the change.

      No matter that not everybody on those movements is not ´enlightened´, or have resolved all their ´internal issues´. What is needed is just a little bit -as more, the better- of common, basic, awareness about what is really happening in our world.

      Thanks for sharing, Marlene.

      Blessings

    • Mariene, there is a difference between creating our own interior reality & events outside of us,starting past our finger tips that are co-created from the collective.

      Because people can’t demonstrate the creation formula of the LOA or Law Of Attraction, does not mean it doesn’t work. It does all the time, it never shuts off.

      Our ability to understand this more fully & integrate it into a mentality that has so much unconscious, conditioned, cultural, collective programing is no small feat to overcome.

      The formula works,– our understanding & demonstration of it however, varies wildly from individual to individual. There is a lot of co-commingling of creation energies.

      Now much of our creations are unconscious & done without thinking of the possible consequences of our thoughts & beliefs that we hold to.

      Many still don’t distinguish between personal creation, unconscious creation, collective co creation. Also, our co-creations we as families, group mentalities even races, cities, neighborhoods, & countries can carry certain mentalities that are hard to shake.

      Just some thoughts to consider.

      Magical star streams,
      -Marko

    • mewabe

      The way I see it, and contrary to some of the new age dogma, I do not believe the problems of the world will be solved by resolving individual issues of money, such as attracting financial abundance into one’s life.

      There is way too much obsession with money as it is…the problem is not too much or too little money, but ALIENATION (not to mention the destruction of the environment, war, etc).

      The model of the survival of the fittest has given birth to an extreme, unbalanced form of individualist culture, whereby everyone feels like it is “me (or us for a couple) against the world”.

      This is the problem. We need to go back to the collective, to re-invente and recreate COMMUNITY.

      Simple strategy?

      First, KILL YOUR TV, completely, absolutely. It’s the GREATEST MEANS OF CONTROL EVER INVENTED. I can guarantee that THERE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN AN AMERICAN REVOLUTION IF TV HAD EXISTED AT THE TIME. People would have complained about British rule and then gone on to watch football or reality shows.

      Furthermore, TV programs are meant to make you feel fearful, overwhelmed, powerless and hopeless (endless barrage of frightening, tragic news), to increase sales through commercials (when people are upset, they buy stuff, it’s a proven fact and a DELIBERATE strategy well known to anyone who has worked in the advertising industry…remember that the advertising industry has a huge say is what is aired on TV).

      Secondly, talk to people, communicate, exchange ideas and knowledge, build a community of like-minded people, take action at the local level. There are MANY grass root organizations that are doing just this, re-inventing society and culture from the ground up.

      Do not expect any leader to do the right thing or society to fix itself….instead, create the society you want, today.

      • Victor

        Wow Mewabe, what a paragraph!, in a comment full of them!:

        “The problem we have in the US and other places, is that, in practical
        terms, money is perceived to be the ONLY means to achieve freedom from
        voluntary slavery (from work, debt, etc). But the ACTUAL solution is to
        end this voluntary slavery and the system that creates and sustains it,
        not to use wealth to escape it individually.”

        And I think this is a very important aspect of the problem:

        “Some aspects of new age dogma do not address the collective, only the individual”

        I observe that a good bunch of grassroots movements are in some way kidnapped by these new age dogmas that you described so well:

        “Unfortunately, this is the way a lot of new-agers think, which works perfectly well with “laisser fair capitalism” and social Darwinism, and with any sort of abuse, exploitation and victimization.

        After all, if a woman gets rape, it’s because she has a “rape-victim
        mentality”, so she attracted it…or it is because of karma…she was a
        rapist in a past life, so now she has chosen to have a taste of her own
        medicine, for her own good, her own evolution…this is a new twist on
        the old strategy of denying that there is a victim, or ignoring the
        incident, and if these strategies fail, blaming the victim!

        It’s a cop-out, something those who feel guilt use to alleviate their
        guilty feelings, and to justify total irresponsibility for anything but
        their own lives…it works admirably well with the basic selfishness of
        our global civilization, with the law of the survival of the fittest
        and for people who are exclusively self-absorbed, giving
        pseudo-spiritual validation to a complete lack of concern, care and
        compassion towards others.”

        But I think also that there’ s an increasing awakening that this is happening with this new “opium”, in search for awareness and action towards what you also mentioned: balance:

        “What is needed is a balance and a mutually beneficial relationship between the person and the group (society).”

        Thank you very much!

        Blessings

        • mewabe

          Thank you Victor!

  • Terri Lynn

    No, it is not OK with me.

  • EricSilver333

    Neale Wrote:
    “What can be said of a society that creates a bigger and bigger gulf
    between the rich and the poor — and puts into place mechanisms and laws,
    choices and decisions that reinforce the notion that everything about this is
    alright; indeed, that this is the way it should be?

    “Does everyone in America have an equal opportunity? Is it
    true of black Americans? Female Americans? Gay Americans? I just ask. Does
    everyone in America have an equal opportunity to be the CEO of a major company,
    and earn nearly 273% more than the workers they boss?”
    = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

    Sadly, not much can be said about a society so lacking in
    wisdom, intelligence and common sense.

    Yes, everyone absolutely has equal opportunity. But everyone CANNOT become CEO, even if they work as hard and as smart as others, because the current economic system is not designed to function that way.

    Neale Wrote:
    “Millions of people in the middle, and even lower, income class in the U.S.
    also apparently think this is perfectly alright.”
    = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

    Our hierarchical money-based economic system(s), wherein the
    few dominate the many, is inherently flawed and unstable. Nonetheless, almost everyone considers it “perfectly alright” because they are unable to conceive and accept other possibilities of existence – especially when those possibilities contradict their core beliefs about reality.

    Rather than accept that our current economic model is wrong, people instead choose to focus on symptoms (income gaps, etc.) and various socioeconomic “isms” – capitalism, socialism, communism, racism, chauvinism, patriotism, etc., as causes for, or solutions, the problem. In reality, those are smokescreens obscuring the root cause: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots; How that Condition Came to Be; Why It Persists; and How to Righteously Correct It.

    You would shrug off a multilevel marketer talking about how rich you can get from their pyramid scheme because you know your likelihood of success is tiny and only a few people can occupy the top positions. Those who reach the top are typically the most ruthless, while the masses who enrich and support them get by with barely enough — clinging to futile notions that one day they too will be at the top if they behave as the top dogs do; or just simply surrendering to (and flatter themselves as) being part of the “backbone” of the system.

    That economic model clearly sucks, so why accept the *very same* nonsense as a basis for a national/global economy??

    I said earlier that society lacks wisdom, intelligence and common sense to allow such a system to exist. But what’s more lacking is the individual and collective Awareness, Honesty and Courage required to correct it. Seriously; how can a society heal itself when it doesn’t know, and/or refuses to accept, that it is sick?

    • Victor

      Well said friend EricSilver… I agree, “how can a society heal itself when it doesn’t know, and/or refuses to accept, that it is sick?”

      Or, when it says that lives in the best of the dreams -american dream, per case-, seeing reality shows in TV about richs and famouses, thinking “I can be like them, or my son could be”, “that guy/girl is just like me”, and if somebody says a thing about a symptom of social illness: “hey shut up, damned red liberall communist!”, or “don’t throw negativity unto my world, you’re creating and reinforcing bad vibes, please shut up!”… Or entering in a world of media-based ‘negativity’ for living in fear for having somebody to blame for sickening ‘my values’, and entering more fiercely in the world of competitiveness, struggle for survival, or ‘success’.

      Nevertheless, and in this way of reasoning, I think that your affirmation “everyone absolutely has equal opportunity”, is very pretty arguable…

      Greetings!

    • mewabe

      Most of the history of the world is rooted in many centuries of bloody, brutal oppression of populations and of the persecution of FREE, non compliant, non obedient people. It seems that many people in America do not know the history of Europe, or if they do, they do not connect the dots.

      The subjugation, exploitation and near enslavement of the greatest part of populations by a tiny elite minority within hierarchical, pyramidal, PATRIARCHAL systems seem to be unshakable “realities” that have become part of the “psychological DNA” of humanity, as if it had been burnt into humanity’s collective psyche by a hot branding iron.

      So humanity is eternally grateful when it is given a little crumb of “freedom”, and respectfully silent when rights and liberties are taken away in the name of “security” by its MASTERS.

      Like battered dogs, we have become so used to this through the generations that we think it is normal.

      The only people who did not think it normal where sovereign, so called “primitive”, FREE tribal indigenous people on this continent and other places, people who did not have to answer to a king, a pope, an emperor or some other grotesque entity assuming a position of power, people who lived under NO government, NO coercive authority, UNDER NOTHING BUT THE CLEAR BLUE SKY.

      Civilization is slavery. It has always been, if you look at history WITH CLEAR EYES. The chains that keep the slaves in their place in a so-called “free” nation like America are today no longer physical, they are institutional. Slavery is today mostly voluntary. And that is the beauty of the system, from the perspective of the exploiters, of a predatory and parasitic elite: no one actually forces a person to buy a house, a car, etc and accumulate debt, to consume a mountain of cheaply made junk, to work oneself to an early grave, or to work at all: indeed you have the freedom to starve if you so choose, and you may be able to live in a hut in the wilds of British Columbia (sounds better by the minute).

      Cultural conditioning, the indoctrination mills known as schools, colleges and universities, and a mainstream media that has perfected brain-numbing and brain-washing to an exact science all do a perfect job in MANUFACTURING CONSENT to slavery, to a degree that the slaves police and condition themselves today, because they have internalize their lessons perfectly: they have come to FEAR and HATE actual freedom and all those who represent it and speak of such.

      Freedom is now perceived to be DANGEROUS, and slavery SAFE. The cycle is near complete, all we really need is a global master.