Worldwide Discussion:
ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS CREATING
THE PROBLEMS IN OUR WORLD?

No one denies that there are many problems in our world, but few people – stunningly few people – seem to be able to agree that it is humanity’s most sacred beliefs that have created a huge number of them.

Conversations with God made it clear years ago that “beliefs create behaviors,” asserting that it is humanity’s beliefs that are killing us, creating everything from the horribly unending disaster at Fukushima to the unending calamity in Syria to the unending stalemate in Washington D.C. and the unending terrorism around the world.

Now a new analysis, contained in an op-ed piece just published at www.NationofChange.org by author Robert J. Burrowes, places the responsibility for many of the world’s ills specifically on the foundational beliefs of its people.

In a sweeping indictment, the author writes:

“Fundamentalism, in a religious guise, is both widespread and problematic.

“For example, Christian fundamentalism plays a crucial role in shaping US domestic policies in relation to abortion, gay marriage and theories of evolution as well as US imperial and military policy, Jewish fundamentalism is a key driver of Israeli domestic and foreign policy including in relation to Palestine, Islamic fundamentalism (of the Wahhabi variety) drives attitudes towards women and foreign policies in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Hindu fundamentalism manifests as a form of religious nationalism in India, and Buddhist fundamentalism is driving the violence against the Rohingya (Muslim) population in Burma.”

Conversations with God long ago made it clear that it was our beliefs that are the cause of humanity’s ills. In the first CWG text to be released after 9-11, titled The New Revelations, God told the human race: “You think you are being terrorized by other people, but in truth you are being terrorized by your beliefs.”

And it is the most deeply and firmly held of these beliefs, God said, that are at the root of the problems — particularly the problems of violence — confronted daily by our species.

Author Burrowes appears to agree. He also outlines the nature of the problem as he understands it in the op-ed piece.

“Psychologically, a fundamentalist is a person with an intense fear of being ‘wrong’; that is, an intense fear of being judged to hold the ‘wrong’ view or to engage in the ‘wrong’ behavior,” he says.

“This intense fear of being wrong develops during childhood when one or both parents, and probably teachers, dogmatically refuse to listen to the child, thus denying it the chance to develop its own views and moral code (based on its own experience), while also terrorizing (by threatening and using violence) the child into believing/adopting a particular set of values and beliefs, and behaving in a particular manner.”

Virtually the same points are made in The New Revelations. When asked what humanity can do to avoid any new 9-11’s in its experience, God said: “Education, education, education.” 

The dialogue points to how we are raising our children, and the beliefs that we have been instilling in them, as the chief source of humanity’s difficulties.

The op-ed piece by Mr. Burrowes  puts it this way:

“It is the intensity of their fear of being judged ‘wrong’, and the violence they will suffer if they are so judged, that makes the child hold, with phenomenal tenacity, to the ‘approved doctrine’ with which they are presented.

“It is this intense fear of being wrong that marks out the fundamentalist from the person who is open-minded and/or conscientious.”

What is the solution? Mr. Burrowes says:

“Fundamentalism is a significant social problem, particularly in some contexts. And to fix it, we need to recognise its psychological origin. Unfortunately, however, this is not easy to do, because the terror that holds their value and belief system in place, and drives their behaviour, is deeply hidden within the individual’s psyche.”

Conversations with God also offers a solution. Says this dialogue:

“Your experience of yourself and your world will shift dramatically if you adopt, collectively, the Five Steps to Peace:

“1. Permit yourself to acknowledge that some of your old beliefs about God and about Life are no longer working.

“2. Explore the possibility that there is something you do not fully understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which would change everything.

“3. Announce that you are willing for new understandings of God and Life to now be brought forth, understandings that could produce a new way of life on this planet.

“4. Courageously examine these new understandings and, if they align with your personal inner truth and knowing, enlarge your belief system to include them.

“5. Express your life as a demonstration of your highest beliefs, rather than as a denial of them.”

CWG makes it clear that violence is neither an inevitable nor an unavoidable aspect of human behavior. “Your differences do not have to create divisions, your contrasts do not have to create conflicts, and the variations in your beliefs do not have to produce violence in your lives,” the dialogue tells us.

Yet how to stop the violence before it stops us? That will take a collective effort. A massive collective effort. And this is where the spiritual activism work of Humanity’s Team — a global movement based on the messages of Conversations with God — comes in.

“What is needed is a worldwide Evolution Revolution,” Nanette Kennedy, a spokesperson for Humanity’s Team and the Managing Editor of this online newspaper, has said. Persons who feel the impulse to join in producing such a revolution may learn more about it by clicking on the blue box in the right hand column of this newpaper.

As well, persons wishing to join another worldwide movement to end all violence, in whatever form it manifests, may sign online “The People’s Charter to Create a Nonviolent World, Mr. Burrowes said in his op-ed.

A person posting as “AntiSocialSailor” in the Comment section beneath Mr. Burrowes’ article offered this additional observation:

“The author left out the most insidious and evil fundamentalists of all, Free-Market Fundamentalists. These are the fundamentalists that have caused the majority of problems for this country since the 80’s. They’ve infected our government to such an extent that they pose a far greater risk to the country, and the world, then all the religious nutcases combined.”

What about you? Do you believe that fundamentalist thinking — in politics, religion, economics, or any area of life — is a danger, or the bedrock of a civilized society, the bulwark against constant and destabilizing change? We invite you to share your own Comment below.

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Editor’s Note: Robert Burrowes has a lifetime commitment to understanding and ending
human violence. He has done extensive research since 1966 in an effort to
understand why human beings are violent, and has been a nonviolent activist
since 1981. He is the author of Why Violence?

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  • Francisco Morfi

    I believe that as long as we continue to believe that when something I think is right makes every other thought wrong and that there is only one way:, my way, then we will remain in stalemate mode and we will continue to live in a world of intolerance and violence.
    I’d like to share something I wrote along those lines.
    What if we were from this great Kingdom and we were all sent on a journey, but when we began the journey, along the way, we forgot or couldn’t remember where we were from, even the fact that we were royalty.
    On this venture we would decide who we are and who we chose to be. Everybody would be going around doing their own thing, involved in their own business and not recognizing anyone else or who they really were. How long before we realized who we were and where we were from?
    Meanwhile everyone would be caught up in their own story trying to figure it all out, or not; sometimes so involved, so into their drama that they’d have no time to do much of anything else. Everybody would be going about their way doing what they believed and deciding how it should be in order for it to work the way that they believed “it should be.”
    Now you see, not everybody would be thinking the same way or believing the same things. Those who saw things in a similar way would get together and form their own group. And many groups would be formed because each group would be believing different things. And that which one group believed would appear to be in conflict with that which another group believed.
    And so it came to be that laws were written and penalties imposed for violations against those that did not believe in the group’s beliefs. And kingdoms arose. And one kingdom went against another and battles were fought and battles were won or battles were lost. And everybody was thinking that they were right and approved what their kingdom did and said. How could there be another way? We’re the ones that have it right. Who do they think they are trying to make us believe something different? We have it right and that’s that.
    Now the One who really knows, who sees the bigger picture was watching all of this and felt compassion, and understood and his Love poureth over.
    What do you suppose will happen? How will it all turn out? What will the outcome be? Will true nature prevail? Are we capable of something different? What will it be? How would you have it be? You decide, or we can decide together. What will it be?
    Are you willing to join in on the decision, are you willing to take sides with another, even someone you are in disagreement with at present? Whose side are you on really?
    You “deside”
    It will all come to be when we finally “deside.” Make your choice. Let’s “coinside.”
    “deside” – to stop taking sides against one another.
    “coinside” – to come together as one; to choose to become one with all others.
    After all: “WE ARE ALL ONE”

  • The real war will not be with guns, bombs & droids. It will be fundamentalists against everyone else. The reason? Rigidity,– & the refusal or fear that they may be incorrect in their assumptions & beliefs about life & how it operates.

    The rigidity & refusal to even consider another option is a extremely non creative non beneficial way to see life.

    What to do? Have enough compassion, love, creativity toward their rigid beliefs to soften them enough to at least consider the posibility of an alternative view.

    Being negatively critical condemnatory toward them would only reinforce the energy we are trying to alleviate.

  • Michael L

    Definition from often quoted source, Wikipedia.

    Fundamentalism:
    is the demand for a strict adherence to orthodox theological doctrines usually understood as a reaction against “modernist theology”, primarily to promote continuity and accuracy.

    The term was originally coined by it’s supporters to describe the five specific classic theological beliefs of Christianity.

    Bible inspired
    Virgin birth of Jesus
    Jesus death was atonement for sin
    bodily resurrection of Jesus
    Historical reality of the miracles of Jesus.

    If you would like to get a dialogue going with Christian fundamentalists this is a grand place to start.

    • Kristen

      Not a fundy, but often mistaken for one and probably the closest in here, but sorry I can’t play. I know my limits, my boxing gloves aren’t very big although I’m not a coward!!!. I’ve chosen instead to present my Gods side above and I’ll go hide for a bit. They won’t want a dialogue with Fundys, they will chew them up and spit them out in CwG fashion as apparently there is only every one side on threads like this, and that is the CwG side.
      Have fun,
      K

  • Gina

    New scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. Science advances one funeral at a time.
    -Max Planckp. 22, as translated in Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers, trans. F. Gaynor (New York, 1949), pp. 33–34 (as cited in T. S. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions).

    You don’t need to worry about so many people focused upon so many documentaries that even if a majority of your people were focused upon negative outcomes and had brought themselves to a fearful place about that, you don’t need to worry about that because there is a recycling process that is happening with all of you that keeps you in balance. Old worried ones are croaking, new eager ones are being born. Those like you are getting into the vortex, even when the documentaries would like to hold you out of it. There is always the balance, you are always coming into alignment. You will never, it is our promise to you, you will never as a species upon this planet, you will never. ever, enough of you will be able to focus in a discordant way predominantly enough that you can do damage to your planet. The well-being is so much bigger than that.
    –Abraham Hicks workshop on 7/4/09 in Denver, CO All recorded and printed Abraham-Hicks materials are copyrighted by Jerry and Esther Hicks.

    This is sooo true, isn’t it? New ones are born 3D-ready, fundamental religious beliefs always outlive the persons. Any kind of beliefs that are religious–doesn’t matter if major religions or shams. I watch on Korean TV shows about current affairs, how easily people are hooked and made into a believer once they are shown some supernatural dog-n-pony show. For instance, there was a Buddhist woman who met another woman at a temple, and this other woman introduced herself as the 7th fairy incarnate in some obscure ancient myth and promised the woman to pray for her ailing daughter. With her prayers the daughter was eventually getting better. Now this fairy woman started to demand a place to pray in, nice shiny things to put on cause in the myth and painting the fairies are highly decorated. This mother loyally obliged. Now the fairy woman demanded the mom do all the house chores for her while she spent time praying. She obliged. Now she demanded she divorce her husband and go out and prostitute and make money eating only ramen noodles. She did all these things and got diseases and a fatal head injury from brutal beatings that took place regularly. The fairy woman would send a guy and beat her up to make her more compliant. She finally fled and contacted the broadcasting company. There are numerous reports of all kinds of abuses by religious leaders. One particular man called himself ‘Wonderful’ which is written in the Bible speaking of Jesus. This man mass produced a weird concoction and ripped tons of people off. Most of them are middle age women who are experiencing health and empty-nest crises. They believed that this concoction–made of vinegar and some heavy metal and activated carbon–made them healthier. The wives took all the money that’s available and not theirs exactly and gave it to this man. While family scattered and finances were in ruin, they only called out to Mr. wonderful How easily, really, once they are shown ‘miracles’ people are hooked!!! How California psychics throw really benign, generic statements at the caller and make them believe!While fundamental belief in the Free Market is most insidious and all-encompassing, religious beliefs are the most STRONG. Belief in the Free Market will scramble and run with light speed in the face of global ecological calamities, but religious beliefs probably won’t. Most people would rather die than change their beliefs. So how to change the world? I guess just by living life and leading by example. And also, acting as if we were already living in the world where simply being human guarantees all the basic survival needs, and we are able to channel our creative endeavors to higher elevations. Envision the world we would like to have. The new world will arrive with the funerals. 😀

  • Kristen

    Wow Neale. Can we please have a little more honesty please, as I know this thread will turn into a Biblical God bashing session. This will be my only posting, I know my limits, time and numbers!! At the beginning of your books you would have been clearly praying to the Biblical God as He was and STILL IS the God of your Country and ancestors. It is only in perhaps book 3 that your God confesses that he is a ‘new God’, finally acknowledging that he is not the biblical God you had been praying to, were asking for and thought you were speaking to. This very act makes it clear that your God knew they only way he could get acknowledged on Earth was to impersonate someone else, clearly fraud, and illegally intervened in matters between your God of the time and you. Y’shua even explained that no-one is to get between anyone and the Father, as it is a Universal Law that the relationship between any REAL God and their people is their personal business and noone elses. If Christians have been on a silly mission to convert Indians and Asians to God when they are actually under their own deitys this is not Gods doing. Y’shua also stated you are not to impose your religion on anyone else for religion is a freewill choice. Again this is a Universal Law, and Christians may have done this, but God has not. I reiterate that you personally are doing nothing wrong and are not deceiving anyone since your God has acknowledged his position.

    Before this becomes an irrational one sided Biblical God bashing session, can I please also point out that people have always said no to God. The very term Israel means to have fought God and won, throughout the bible people said no to Gods orders, many sadistic and still do. If they obeyed there would still be stonings, burnings at the stake etc. God is fine with the word no, and again Y’shua told people never to enter into any contract with God you are not prepared to honour, therefore yet again making it clear that people are not required to comply with Gods orders, the details of the agreement in their baptism will all differ. Remember that God was speaking to one family, Israelites, living on their family farm now acknowledged as Israel. He also stated frequently in conjunction with many punishments that people are not permitted to do these things AMONGST YOU. He never instructed anyone to carry out His punishments anywhere other than in Israel or settlements later where Isrealites were the already dominant group, witch hunts, gay bashings etc are the decisions of individuals who happen to be Christians, no different to radical Muslims, but they are not acting with Gods authority. Remember He also said thy shalt not kill, so why would He be supporting any terrorist attacks????

    Christianity is completely manmade, for no reason other than power (which again Neale, your God did exactly the same thing, rode on the back of Gods power with you as his messenger to get power on Earth), and many people are saying pick me, pick me, pick me because Y’shua stuffed up with one thing by saying “I will give immortality to anyone who believes in me and God as my father”. This was clearly a conflict with his earlier teachings, and what he channelled later and is incorrect. A majority of Christians are wasting their time and money, and Y’shua advised people never to listen to the religious words of any man and other indications not to listen to Christian teachers. Scripture even disses religions in the future that would tell men they were not to marry – is that not a clear message AGAINST Catholicism. If people had read scripture instead of listening to Christians and especially Catholicism leaders the world would be a much better place and threads like this would not even need to exist.

    Kabbalist, not Christian before I get assumptions but this thread almost makes me want to convert to Judaism!!
    xx (Kabbalah for a blessing kiss on the forehead)

    I know this is very anti-CwG but I ask that you leave it in here please as it will probably be the only ‘other side’ presented.

    • Anonamo

      I admit that I only read half of your post, but I got the gist of it by then. My take on it is this…

      If the G-D of the bible is the only true God, then I will be throwing my lot in with whatever army is working to depose that crackpot. Simply put, if that god is totally infallible and he will punish us for all the insane things the bible says he will (keeping very diligently to his very bizarre and human-like double standards and biasis), then obviously the universe is simply another bureaucracy like any other human one. If the new god that NDW channeled is the competing candidate, then sign me up for his militia. Through a global prayer and meditation effort, we will succeed in eliminating that nutcase from office and not raise a single fist in violence in doing so.

      You were right, you did open the Bible’s god up for a good thashing, and really that THING is nothing more than an illusion that needs to be revealed for what it is. Jesus Christ is NOT the “One Savior” of mankind and believing in him makes you no more worthy of heaven then the next Hindu over. Suffering and constant sacrifice are NOT required steps to god and this realm was originally meant to be heaven. Also, god is NOT mysterious or even hard to understand. He/she is actually really easy to know personally but being in communion with him/her takes an enlarging of your basic capacity.

      When NDW channeled god, he was indeed channeling a new idea of god, or rather the original idea of God that over time got buried under human misunderstandings and sabotage. And, as a purely human created concept (even though he is more than that) he is no less valid than G-D the fascist. But if you believe in this real god, you will open yourself up to a much more harmonious existence you will never have if you believe in the old world god. I cannot and will not believe in any god that is so inconsistent and strange as the one people have created.

      If that makes me damned, well then obviously you have no concept of the kind of punishment believers of the old faith so adamantly push as being a true reality. Try cursing someone out and then holding your hand over a flame for five minutes. This is to simulate what it would be like after god’s final judgement for not believing in him/christ, and we’ll assume in this case that you don’t. Now imagine the pinnacle of that pain spreading to encompass your whole body for eternity and not being able to manage it at all.

      Is it justified to feel this caliber of horrifying agony without ending just because you didn’t believe a certain thing? The people you wronged in life will move on and forget about it. But Jesus Christ and God will put you in a fire pit for all time without ever pardoning you just because you offended them. This is utter lunacy.

      Anyone who preaches eternal suffering as a reality for crimes against god has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. If you could grasp the reality of it for even an instant, you would understand that a person infinitely worse than Hitler wouldn’t deserve that kind of fate, let alone someone who simply doesn’t believe in a certain religion.

      Of course, a person who is set in their beliefs will not change… But for me, it’s just common sense that certain ideas humankind holds about the universe must change or it will eventually meet its demise. Advanced technology and social/spiritual immaturity do not mix.

  • Carina Aduddell

    I would have to say that fundamentalism is not the way to go. Your way is not the only way..my way is not the only way. There is always more than one way to reach your destination..and let’s remember..we are all headed to the same destination. I think humans as a species spend more time arguing over who’s right and who’s wrong..than sitting down and asking “what do we need to do to ease the suffering?”. When do we put our differences aside and figure out a way to help our fellow human beings live a better life? Is this the condition we want to leave the world in for our children and their children? We must unite and do what we can to help each other.

  • There is also another dynamic going on as well. It’s using the Bible as the “only” true authority of God. Stubbornly & rigidly not allowing other sources to be considered.

    So the new Spiritual Renaissance will challenge this concept more. Also, others who only source the Bible as the true word of God, will eventually soften that view more & become more elastic & flexible in other sources having value as God inspired.

    This will not diminish the wisdom in the Bible but simply relax more on the stuff in it that clearly does not help, benefit our growing spiritual awareness.

    “All of Life is a conversation with God, and every one of us is having that experience in every moment of our existence. We have been simply calling it something else.” -NDW

    Magical blessings,
    -Marko

    • Awareness

      “This Awareness indicates that the error of the fundamentalists is that they are too narrow in their perception and are taking a view much like that of a salesman who sees only one headache remedy in the world, and does not consider or recognize that other headache remedies might exist.” by Cosmic Awareness (GREAT SPIRIT! GREAT AWARENESS!) 🙂

      Bless ALL 🙂

  • Anonamo

    This post is what I would normally reply to a post preaching hardcore
    Fundamentalist beliefs…

    If the G-D of the bible is the only true God, then I will be throwing
    my lot in with whatever army is working to depose that crackpot.
    Simply put, if that god is totally infallible and he will punish us for
    all the insane things the bible says he will (keeping very diligently to
    his very bizarre and human-like double standards and biasis), then
    obviously the universe is simply another bureaucracy like any other
    human one. If the new god that NDW channeled is the competing
    candidate, then sign me up for his militia. Through a global prayer and
    meditation effort, we will succeed in eliminating that nutcase from
    office and not raise a single fist in violence in doing so.

    Really that THING in the bible (mainly the OT) is nothing more than an illusion that needs to be revealed for what it is. Jesus Christ is NOT the “One Savior” of
    mankind and believing in him makes you no more worthy of heaven then the
    next Hindu over. Suffering and constant sacrifice are NOT required
    steps to god and this realm was originally meant to be heaven. Also,
    god is NOT mysterious or even hard to understand. He/she is actually
    really easy to know personally but being in communion with him/her takes
    an enlarging of your basic capacity.

    When NDW channeled god, he was indeed channeling a new idea of god,
    or rather the original idea of God that over time got buried under human
    misunderstandings and sabotage. And, as a purely human created concept
    (even though he is more than that) he is no less valid than G-D the
    fascist. But if you believe in this real god, you will open yourself up
    to a much more harmonious existence you will never have if you believe
    in the old world god. I cannot and will not believe in any god that is
    so inconsistent and strange as the one people have created.

    If that makes me damned, well then obviously you have no concept of
    the kind of punishment believers of the old faith so adamantly push as
    being a true reality. Try cursing someone out and then holding your
    hand over a flame for five minutes. This is to simulate what it would
    be like after god’s final judgement for not believing in him/christ, and
    we’ll assume in this case that you don’t. Now imagine the pinnacle of
    that pain spreading to encompass your whole body for eternity and not
    being able to manage it at all.

    Is it justified to feel this caliber of horrifying agony without
    ending just because you didn’t believe a certain thing? The people you
    wronged in life will move on and forget about it. But Jesus Christ and
    God will put you in a fire pit for all time without ever pardoning you
    just because you offended them. This is utter lunacy.

    Anyone who preaches eternal suffering as a reality for crimes against
    god has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. If you could
    grasp the reality of it for even an instant, you would understand that a
    person infinitely worse than Hitler wouldn’t deserve that kind of fate,
    let alone someone who simply doesn’t believe in a certain religion.

    Of course, a person who is set in their beliefs will not change…
    But for me, it’s just common sense that certain ideas humankind holds
    about the universe must change or it will eventually meet its demise.
    Advanced technology and social/spiritual immaturity do not mix

    • I certainly get where you are coming from.

      I think “how” we approach others who’s beliefs are different or even vastly different than ours is key. We don’t have to make others wrong while we disagree. We get to practice our compassion on them.

      I like to say “Increase your compassion threshold, it’s the universal fabric softener spiritual travelers use. Don’t leave home without it!” 🙂

    • Kristen

      Hi Anonamo
      I would never defend my God for any sadistic behaviors, nor anyone, just as I would not want to think anyone is so horrible that they would defend neales God for saying children are sexual beings, that people should never feel obligated to honour any contracts like real estate deals etc. But since the CwG books teach that we only fear that which we do not understand, there certainly seem so be a lot of fear of fundys, Gods people and God himself. Why else would there always be so many God and church bashing sessions in here.

      With this in mind, just to help you understand, Y’shua, and anyone else defining visions or images for that matter, is speaking in metaphors. This is deliberate and a part of ‘seek and ye will find’, ‘those who have ears listen’ and sorting the weeds from the good crops amongst many other scriptures. If you get a dream interpretation book (I would recommend Pamela Ball’s 10,000 Dreams Explained), and a standard dictionary and rewrite the scriptures you have mentioned using these translation books you will be able the actually read that he means. Fire is a new awareness, transformation through emotions, the chakras, a shift in perception to the truth, purification, consequential suffering for beliefs, awareness of spiritual strength etc. Lava has similar yet stronger meanings. It is only a part of people creating their own reality and a redirection process to the truth. Yes they are overly dramatic, which the Church has loved, and many like the Apostle Paul are quite simply self righteous douchebags, but anyone with any form of spiritual or religious beliefs will always be very passionate about them, including CwGers.

      Good on you for making informed choice. As I said in my post, anything religious or spiritual is a freewill choice, and all freewill choices must be made on informed choice. Which is why I always give the other side in here. If you want to embark on a Militia recruitment campaign, just to save you time going through the Bible and making a list of everyone God says he will punish or doesn’t like here is a little list for ya. Bartenders for drunkenness is not permitted, those who worship statue based Gods in Christian countries, those who exhault He of Lawlessness (Neales God), “Yellow people living in Gods/Christian countries”, those who mislead or mistreat children, those who engage in corruption or favour the wealthy over the poor or vice versa, liars, mediums, sodomers etc. It’s a very long list, and quite easy to do if you choose. Actually it’s probably already the CwG fanbase. Have fun.And I am laughing. Religion and spiritual matters should never been taken seriously, they are nothing more than one aspect of each individuals lives, the person is much more important and being human is about the person.

      Another important point is the misconception that God has brainwashed people into believing His concept of right from wrong, or as CwG teaches, the entire concept that there is a difference between right and wrong. This is incorrect. Some people are born with this very clearly intact in them and have a very clear view of the differences. Like me, these people will not go to bed until all pets are inside and safe and all children are home, will not cause suffering or be a part of any industry that does, will never steal or cheat, will always honor their word, will always choose to work and contribute, will never ‘wag’ work or be late and do person stuff at work, will not deceive or mislead people, do not flash their boobs around in public etc. There is a huge list of things in this deliberate ‘download’ and most people with this way of ‘being’ will be drawn to the Biblical God as He is the most compatible to their personal beliefs, not the other way around. I was born this way, other than one grandmother and my father my family was not, two children are – two are not. In general it is Israelites with the Israelite soul that differs from others, and are first lifers rather than reincarnated people.

      Hope this helps you to understand, so that in your fun militia campaign you need not fear. ‘Godly’ people will not attack or engage in war, for to hurt others is not acceptable, but most Christians do not have this ‘download’ so it should be fun. Bring it on.
      xx

  • Contentttt

    Fund-A-Mentalist
    Look at the word!
    They are simply in their head! They live there…they think there….they act from there!
    Their head is full…..but their heart is absent!!
    Everything else is in the details of their choices!
    Their days on this Earth is numbered!!
    Fund-A-Mentalism is an old energy attempting to hold on to what has been.
    As the Universal Shift continues, the fight will continue….until there is no fight left!
    Then it will be dead…forever! This I guarentee will take place!!!!

    To debate Fund-A-Mentalists/Fund-a-Mentalism is to give energy to what is dying and lossing it’s power.
    If you understood “ENERGY”, and how “ENERGY” coexists within ALL THAT IS, you would understand how this discussion is exactly what feeds their purpose and continuation!

    Sincerely
    I AM

  • Erin

    Funny how folks ‘change’ in light of ‘Death’, esp. when it is someone near & dear and unexpected. Almost immediately, God is questioned of the event…”Why? Why? Why?” Even though the day before they would have offered, with great fervor, the answers to these whys of another’s similar situation. However, when such circumstance ‘hits home’, ‘the rock’ crumbles, the beliefs become distorted, their previous answers no longer ‘fit’…All the rote quoting leaves the frontal lobes…They are truly devastated.

    I have observed this strange behavior of nearly every death event…Often, most dramatic of those with especially deep instills. One would think this would be just the opposite, No?

    I suppose it comes down to Understanding. I was brought up with different thinking…That transformation was to be celebrated. If by quick & painless means was to be thankful for, and those that ‘fell’ as tragic victim or lingered in their process, were providing ‘something’ to others involved, so their gift was to be greatly honored, even if not immediately seen. I Am grateful for ‘this way’…it has served well.
    And transforms are not simply of ‘Death’…We are in this process in every Life-moment.

    Governments, Sciences, Business, Community…These are neutral grounds…what I call ‘Common Space’…and should be set-up & reflective of that…Grand Neutrality. No adjectives that sway the mind, no distinction of religious rights, no loopholes or ethnic bias. Establishment & Guidance of these entities should hold no persuasion to ‘moral value’, but rather functionality toward a wiser existence of the Society they service. If these were running well toward that directive, would religion even be necessary?

    Perhaps for the few that would not be happy in such an environment of well-beingness…And we all know that there would be those that would not be…Those easily offended by the thought of removing “In God We Trust”, or “One nation under God”, or “so help me, God”. Monies, justice, constitutions…these are parts of the human neutral zone, and therefore should reflect equality regardless of personal beliefs.

    Considering that previous inventions of God/Demon theologies were created by unhappy campers trying to alter Society-at-Large to please themselves…and they made an Amazing attempt, btw…Destroying entire civilizations to get their ‘happy’…but, obviously, this has not provided that end, has it? Time, indeed, for a ‘new way’ of being human in a World Society of many beings.
    And No, We are Not the most intelligent sort among those many, We are simply the most Arrogant…at the moment. 🙂

    • Awareness

      “Heavenletter #4797 Return to Paradise , January 12, 2014

      God said:

      There is a Divine Plan for you. You may be fighting it, or you may be pushing for it. Of course, you have Free Will as well. Free Will doesn’t mean that everything goes your way, or the way you think is yours. Free Will is not exactly the same as free choice, yet, you do have free choice as well, even as you may not have all the choices you would like to pick from immediately.

      In this lifetime, a universal desire is coming to the surface. It has been a desire long held. Now, you, in this lifetime, are seeing the beginning of a Return to Paradise, right here on Earth, an updated Paradise, yet Paradise nevertheless. Yes, this, too, is part of the Divine Plan and Free Will. Just think of it – Fulfillment of All Desires, that have been desired since the beginning of time.

      This Age of Fulfillment, this Age of Fruition, is not appearing because you wished for it although you did wish for it. You desired it fervently, and you laid the brickwork with your thoughts. Your thoughts were the seeds for the Divine Plan. And, yet, you did not quite believe in it, did you? You may not believe in it now, and yet you will see it.

      Divine Plan comes from the development of your consciousness. Your soul is inviolate, and yet your recognition of heart and soul and their place in the world grows. This is the development I have long been waiting for.

      Of course, it’s true, I, God, can flip a switch, so to speak, and Peace on Earth and Good Will to Men can appear in a flash, and, yet, you have to be ready to receive it. It may be hard for you to let go of what can be called the old ways, yet, at the same time, Peace and Good Will are not unheard of. They have always been evidenced. They have always been evidenced more than war and ill will. Now Peace and Good Will to All has reached its turning point. I will call it the point of no return, meaning that there is no going back. Peace is secured. It cannot be overturned. It is supported.

      Oh, yes, there are some conflagrations that continue to burn. They are run-off. They will drizzle out.

      All that has been predicted will come true. Joy to the world, the full sunshine has come, and you are here to welcome it and be part of it. Assume your stations, beloveds.

      The old ways of operating in the world have been overthrown. You are captive of it no longer. That’s how you overthrew it. Your consciousness has overthrown the old world of thinking. How powerful are your thoughts. How powerful are you. You always were powerful, yet you believed in your insignificance. You did not know what the consciousness of ten gathering in My Name can do let alone the consciousness of the whole world.

      Be at peace, for peace has come. Integrate peace into your heart and mind, and so be it. Untie yourself from the past. Step out of the past into the Sunshine, for you do, ultimately, manifest the world. You always have, only now you are taking the lead rather than just following along. Wait no longer. Claim the Earth as yours. Claim your heritage. Take over the world with your Free Will of Good Will.

      Within the Grand Design is the individual design. They cannot be separated. They can be integrated. They are integrated. You are rising now with the dawn. The sun is rising. Very soon it will be High Noon, and you will see. You will see. Celebrate now.” 🙂

      Bless ALL 🙂

      • Contentttt

        AWARENESS you wrote:
        There is a Divine Plan for you. You may be fighting it, or you may be pushing for it. Of course, you have Free Will as well. Free Will doesn’t mean that everything goes your way, or the way you think is yours. Free Will is not exactly the same as free choice, yet, you do have free choice as well, even as you may not have all the choices you would like to pick from immediately.

        If you were really truly aware…..you would know this written statement above is a Bunch of Hooey!!

        I AM

        • I can’t say I have much investment in the heavenletter quoted, though I think it’s a nice message.

          Just curious, why is that statement you quoted a bunch of hooey?

          • Contentttt

            I posted a response to your question Marko and it showed up as waiting to be monitored before i would be posted. Then it was deleted and my answer to you never came through. For what ever the reason they deleted it! That is censorship!!

          • If you had a link in it, that would cause a delay, that’s happen to me.

            If there is cuss words that would probably be taken out or something down right rude or distasteful. But to be critical & dialog on these subjects is not cause for censorship.

        • Awareness

          I tend to enjoy Heaven Letters. I find the daily messages uplifting 🙂 You are ofcourse free to have point of view 🙂

          I like the statement “The old ways of operating in the world have been overthrown.” 🙂

          Bless ALL 🙂

      • Erin

        “With the faith of a mustard seed…”, indeed, Awareness! 😀

  • Contentttt

    The censorship that goes on in this group is no different than a government controlling what they share with the people and then coming down on those who do not abide by the law they establish!
    Pathetic!
    I am done with group….live in your world you are creating….but someday….you will know that everything you have embraced is so different than you ever believed!!
    Goodbye!

    • I’m not sure what kind of censorship you are talking about, but if the energy of CwG is not your thing, that is not a problem, you can simply find another group that more closely matches what you are after. Or, start your own.

      Neale & the CwG material that has come through to him has said over & over not to believe any of this, unless in rings true for you. We get to pick what’s true for us. So what’s the problem?

    • Kristen

      Contenttttttttt, you feel very grumpy again. I’m smiling at you. Whats up???? How can you be done with group when you don’t do group. Who wants group anyway??? If you do want to stay in here, YOUR CHOICE, since I’m not a CwGer I’m happy to fire obsure, yet vaguely related questions to you since you can access information I cannot and vice versa.

      This can be linked to the thread if I pretend to be a fundy – I’m studying prophecies at the moment. Scripture/Y’shua teaches at the end “woe to pregnant women and those nursing”. Makes no sense on the surface as in any major scenario those still pregnant or nursing their babies would be much luckier than those with weaned babies who may not be able to source formula etc. Thinking outloud then, could this mean some invasion of a species from beyond Earth who do not have immunity to our common diseases/viruses/bacteria/food who could use these females as ‘cows’ to give them a level of immunity via their milk?????
      See – fundys and followers of the Biblical God do sometimes try to understand what they are reading, words are nothing without understanding.

      If you CHOOSE to leave, be happy and be safe.

  • Jaz

    Yes! Indeed They Are.

  • Erin

    We seem to have a “bitcoin” idea floating about…idk, seems a bit like the failing Euro idea…Anyone pondering a ‘better way’ on this?
    Our education system seems to be heading in a cyber direction, verrry quickly…Will this mean that a parent/guardian will again need to be a Home-body? Hmmm…??? What a concept! That Family & Home are the most purpose-filled social environments to experience first! Guess we better hurry up & ‘fix’ the ways of financial means to accommodate such, yes? Will schools have excess funding when teachers can work-at-home with their classes, no lunches need be portioned, no security, no nursing staff, no buildings to heat? Perhaps each child’s family can be given those monies to re-establish Family-at-Home? This is going to get quite interesting, verrry quickly.
    Anyone have ‘soldiers’ in their midsts? Not very happy of their ‘service’, are they? Not feeling very heroic of their deeds, are they? Not real good with getting back into ‘society’, are they? Hmmm…??? New ‘trends’, indeed.
    And We as a People, seem to be moving with “It’s only illegal if you get caught” ideals. By-passing government controls by simply ‘getting more creative’ of their moves…and combining talents to encompass ‘territories’. Hmmm…??? This is sooo driving ‘them’ nuts!!! And it is showing!!!
    I feel a ‘temporary collapse’ of inter-communication afoot, folks…And what will We become of such an event? (The military is already geared for this, btw.) Hmmm…THIS will be most interesting, by far!!! Will it be heralded after most public education is on-line-only, or to over-throw the idea entirely? Will our child-soldiers ‘suddenly’ become responsive, in ways we, or they, may not expect? Will it truly matter what religion one associates with, though, I would imagine “Oh, God, it’s the Apocalypse!” will surely be heard by those of deep instills, running with rampant fears to their gathering places. What will their leaders provide as solace? Will they be directed to ‘help with the mission’? Be ‘angels of mercy’, perhaps? Scary thought there, fer sher.
    What a freakin’ interesting time to be here, Dears!!! Look at all the stuff in motion!!! Amazing possibilities to become of! A most perfect time to have new God ideas in the works…literally. I would miss these webbed converses, though…but then, We will be too busy having the Conversations with faces, won’t We?
    Oh, the things that make ya go “Hmmm…???” 😀

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  • mewabe

    Let’s keep it simple and clear: the most fundamental belief of them all is a belief in separation, not only people being separate from each other but a separation from everything.

    If you miss the EVERYTHING aspect of this cosmology of separation, you pretty much miss the entire cosmos…so it is not just a matter of restoring a “we are all one” theology, unless by “we” you ACTUALLY mean the ground below your feet, the air you breathe, all of nature, the stars and galaxies, the as yet unknown dimensions of being, and the four legged, the crawling and flying and swimming creatures of the earth, and every atom and subatomic particle that forms the infinite physical universe.

    If you think this is too much to grasp, you may want to ask yourselves why…what is limited in your thinking process that prevents you from embracing this infinite and eternal Divine Oneness, of which you are a part?

    Separation, it may not be fully known or understood by most, creates fear. Fear is then still the basic foundation of human consciousness at this time. And what do most fearful people do, what does fear ask for? Fear demands control and power. A fearful person or population seeks to gain control and power over what it fears, which, given this cosmology of separation from EVERYTHING, means EVERYTHING.

    And that’s where it become clear.

    Now you may see why our western civilization in particular, but not exclusively, has been so hell-bent on CONQUERING, DOMINATING and CONTROLLING nature and ALL LIFE, AND STILL IS!

    Most people feel and think that this quest for control and power is the basic fuel of progress, and they are correct. However can a “progress” that is rooted in a fear of EVERYTHING (including death) be leading to balance, harmony, peace and happiness?

    Yes, this race for CONQUEST, for control and power (“command and control”) over ALL LIFE (from distant planets to DNA) is a pathology rooted in a fear consciousness. Few see this picture clearly, fewer still express it, for to question the course of “progress” and “civilization” is to risk cultural anathema, BECAUSE THE BELIEF IN THE LEGITIMACY OF THE AIM AND MEANS OF THIS GLOBAL CIVILIZATION IS AS FUNDAMENTAL AND EXTREME (and irrational) AS ANY RELIGIOUS BELIEF.

    • I would only add reinforce, & encourage that this is changing & we are in transition toward a less separate way of looking at life.

      It may be happening slower than we like, but it’s happening. The ipad has revolutionized much of how we do things. The ipad is like 3 years old. It’s just possible, in the years to come, things will flow more quickly as the 100th monkey, critical mass etc. reaches a larger acceleration point. Time will tell & I want to create & reinforce that energy.

      I also think it’s good to point out the critical things you bring up as well. Both are needed.

      • mewabe

        Thank you Marko for your comment…
        I understand the need to look at things optimistically…but even in the case of mass communication technology, very few are the tools we create that do not, through their manufacturing or disposal, seriously harm the environment (cell phones for example…similarly, computers are very far from being a clean or green technology).

        The “100th monkey” type of evolution occurs within NATURE. Monkeys do not hold stubborn beliefs, or delusions, about who or what they are, as far as we know, so natural evolution is not blocked in this case. But it is in our case, as we do confuse evolution and progress with transforming the natural planet into a trash heap of plastic, industrial wastes and toxic manufacturing by-products.

        I neither criticize nor reinforce anything…instead, I point out the abyss towards which humanity is rushing with great speed and enthusiasm…while thinking it is headed towards technological and spiritual nirvana.

        Again, keep it simple…if we can’t bury it in our own backyard because of toxicity, we should not manufacture it, buy it or use it at all.

        • I would not disagree that some of the spiritual metaphysical teachers could do a better job at environmental concerns.

          The ipad was simply an analogy that spiritual awareness can speed up, like technology has.

          At least if these cruise ships have spiritual seminars, certainly the energy is better than a gambling cruise etc.

          You want waste & pollution? Take a good look at the military.

          If you want larger environmental awareness, help to visualize that certainly helps pull that energy in. It’s not the answer, but it’s part of the answer. A part that can ignite an even larger awareness.

          • mewabe

            Yes, no doubt about the military being one of the worst sources of pollution on the planet, conveniently trashing the environment under the cover of “national security”.

            But I am not just talking about “environmental concerns”…I am talking about this lack of understanding that all life is one, this alienation from nature that is as much a SPIRITUAL CRISIS as it is a physical threat…for to feel separate from nature is to feel lost in a meaningless cosmic void and inner emptiness that demand to be filled in neurotic, destructive manners with strange ideas, beliefs and activities and with frantic consumerism, all of which our contemporary civilization is the perfect and very willing and profiting purveyor.

            When you are connected to nature in a physical as well as a spiritual way, you know who you are, and you do not feel lost in a “strange, alien universe” as some have put it. You are at home on this earth, and you do not even need to imagine that a more perfect home called “heaven” awaits you, because you know and feel that heaven is all around you in this beautiful, miraculous physical creation and within you at every moment.

            The positive aspect of such an awakening is that you cannot trash or destroy what you know is part of you, and what you are a part of, namely nature. You know that absolutely nothing can justify the desecration of this side of heaven.

            And when you know and declare this, and understand that your only allegiance must be to the earth, not to any nation or ideology, you become a threat to the “system”…because you no longer play by rules defined by delusions of separation.

          • Stephen mills

            Thanks Mewabe this is the path towards which we are headed I believe .The changes you have spoken of will come about naturally when we discover our divine nature !

            The behaviours that create all the negativity on planet Earth come from the illusion of separation acceptance is for people who want to end the illusion .Acceptance that “thou art god ” .

            This commitment will in itself cause reverence for all life and bound you to another path .By honouring all life forms like this you will make choices only that result in the highest good of all .

            We have to know that this is heaven first before we can change it right here now here ! As knowing opens the door to experience .If we do not know that this is Heaven on Earth or that we are all a part of the same energy some call god how can we experience this ?
            So many people are in denial ,denial is used to continue the illusion .The purpose of all Neales work is to awaken each other and create another world that is possible and to see in ourselves a grander vision of Humanity.

            This is not going to happen overnight but the universe is not in a hurry .Humanity though better hurry up if life is to continue in it,s present form .

          • mewabe

            Thank you Stephen…yes, perhaps humanity will survive long enough in this form, in this physical dimension, to change…perhaps it will learn its lessons in time.

            You ask, how can we experience this oneness if we do not know that this is heaven on earth…in my experience, all one needs to do is open one’s mind and heart to this reality that is all around us, manifesting itself in breathtaking beauty. All one needs is experience awe. That is the beginning of a transformation…but to experience awe, one must actually SEE the natural world, in person, and remain long enough in it, with open eyes, with a soul vision, to be transformed by it.

    • Kristen

      Hey there from sunny NZ! One of those weird evenings when you sky gaze, with the sun and moon both complete and both very clear symmetrically on either side of you. Good trip??

      If I was a fundamentalist responding to your post below re ipad pollutions etc I would quote scripture of “Its time to…….and destroy those who destroy the Earth”. Problem solved, put the fear of God into polluters!!! I somehow don’t think any churches have read that line tho! Lucky I’m not a fundy! Whats an ipad?

      • mewabe

        Yes thank you great trip and caught in the polar storm (“Hercules”) and frigid temperatures for a while, but it makes you feel alive, right?…In contrast, I am wearing a t-shirt in sunny and dry Northern California!

        Those who destroy the earth also destroy themselves sooner or later (as we are all a part of the earth), so the problem will be solved. But we ALL pollute, unless we are living a traditional indigenous lifestyle in the woods of Northern Canada or some isolated pacific Island, or in the Sierra Madre mountains of Mexico. So we are all blissfully destroying ourselves, turning this earthly heaven into hell in the name of progress, civilization and other urban legends.

        Wikipedia: The iPad Air is the fifth generation iPad tablet computer designed, developed and marketed by Apple Inc.

        • Kristen

          Thanks about the iPad! As I assume you got, I was yet again taking the pi.. out of myself for living on one of those little islands at the bottom of the pacific. Galaxy Tablet gal myself cause it saves $100 a month by being able to use my phone as a wifi modum at work, rather than putting the internet in when I occasionally need it. If I had the code the kids put in to unlock it, that would probably help!!

          I absolutely despise electronics and any technology associated with it, I think this is one of those intuitive downloads that become instincts when it is a very important message from The Source to control our behaviour via likes and dislikes. 2 hrs a day max online is all I’ll do, I won’t speak on mobile phones and have just upgraded after 7 years, would never put anything in my ears so no ipods etc, no business website, never clear emails, have never traded online. All forms of electronic technology are a negative aspect and yet another aspect of how we are destroying the Earth, ourselves and our kids. I think people just don’t care and want everything and assume it is their right, and I’m very grateful to be born with a hatred of it all. Did you know many non human species here are not solar powered like humans are, so actually have to be on computers or in a wifi area for much of the day. Why do you think they bought that technology here with them??? The only good news is that in NZ we are not permitted any electronics, tvs etc in landfills, all have to be in special collections 3 monthly and with new phone purchases you get an envelope to send old ones into a childrens hospital that arranges dismantling and recycling as a fund raiser. Have your electricity suppliers switched to smartmeters yet! Ours all sneaked them in unnoticed – good articles in Uncensored Magazine which is online.

          People will not wake up to anything, they will be rudely awoken with one hell of an alarm!!

          Don’t under estimate the carbon footprint of the small pacific islands. There are more tongans in NZ than in tonga, and we have huge populations here of all islanders. They are our factory workers, allowed in for that purpose. They are all constantly to and fro, from Australia also, a majority of their food is imported as they generally live a western life, the income source for most islanders and islands is tourism and they export heavy items like coconuts, pineapples, canned corn beef. I would say that per head of capita their carbon footprints are pretty up there not too far behind the USA and Australia. And they are generally obese, and fly here for medical treatment constantly, or our medical staff and navy are always over there!

          If you can access Law via intuition, ask ‘it’ questions, you will be surprised at the answers that come to you. I asked what the carbon footprint allowance is per person. This thought reply was very clear – 1980!!!! And when I pushed further it is one tank of gas per car per month, 10 hours in a plane pp per year, 50% of all products purchased must be produced within a 3 hour flight and nothing is to travel more than a 12 hour flight from factory to consumer with no exemptions, public transporters users footprint is 1/10th of a car driver for busses/trains but taxis are the same as a car driver, there is an extra 20% gas allowance per dependant child, all packaging is the responsibility of the one who REQUIRES it which could be anywhere in the chain from the designer to consumer, there is no gain buying online as the couriers carbon footprint goes against the consumer, one bag of rubbish per house hold per week, anything recyclable MUST be recycled or returned to the manufacturer etc, and this does not mean leaving it sitting on barges as asian countries are now on recycling overload. They are so clear, but the original answer of 1980 levels was a good answer. Anything over these allowances carry consequences which are logged in everyones book of life and personal records. There is a zero carbon footprint for stopping suffering or working for the greater good. The felling of trees other than for necessary warmth or important non fiction books is forbidden and there is no exporting of any timber or coal permitted, as is all mining, fracking and drilling for new oil forbidden! Most people are in such deep shirt but won’t believe me, or don’t care. Funny how the petrol allowance per car, for me with an average car, is 5000km p/a which is the same as the Kyoto Agreement! Thats no fluke.

          Those who cannot access intuition – don’t bother answering to this, as intuition is instructions/information directly from The Source, and you cannot dispute what I am saying unless you can also access this information.