Where is the love?

If, as Conversations with God says, “love is all there is,” why is our planet experiencing so much “hate”?

This question came up for me as I stared at a map of the United States created by the Southern Poverty Law Center which calculated the number of active “hate groups” existing in this country, state by  state, in the year 2013.  I also noticed, as I perused the map, that Florida, the state within which I currently reside, is documented as having the second-highest number of actual chartered groups of people who use “hate” as their platform.  The state in which my son lives, California, is number one.  You can view their map here.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website, they have used the definition of “groups who have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics” as the basis upon which to collect their statistics and generate their map.

Typically, at least for me, when envisioning what has been labeled a “hate group,” there are certain sects of people that jump quickly to the forefront:  Ku Klux Klan, Westboro Baptist Church, white/black supremacy and anti-LGBT organizations.  Yes, these are the obvious ones, the ones we see in the news, the ones who we quickly identify as members of our community who have publicly announced their intolerance and separatist belief systems to the world.

But how far-reaching are the tentacles of the ideologies that support and innervate these factions?  How deep do they flow into our own personal relationships?  How are they impacting the thoughts and perspectives of the people who we find ourselves interacting with on a day-to-day basis?  And what exactly constitutes “hate”?  Do the recent racist comments of Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling fall into such a category?  Do Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of a bakery in Oregon, Sweet Cakes by Melissa, who refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple based upon their Christian beliefs fall into such a category?  Do the people who post humiliating and derogatory pictures of overweight people and children in Wal-Mart on Facebook even fall into such a category?

Conversations with God tells us that even the most egregious behaviors and actions are always rooted in love, that each and every choice we make, as distorted as it may be, is an outgrowth and expression of love.  Even a child on the playground might take a ball or a toy away from one classmate with the intention of sharing it with his/her best friend.  A single mother whose bank account has a negative balance may steal food from the local grocery store in order to feed her children for the day.  And, yes, even in the taking of another life, underneath the violence and conflict, somewhere deep beneath what is readily visible, exists a complex, albeit convoluted, experience of love.

Perhaps “hate” is a strong word.  Maybe the use of it rubs up against you in a coarse and uncomfortable way or it feels unnatural or in opposition to who believe yourself to be.  If so, the next time you encounter someone, or even yourself, engaging in a behavior or using language that might have previously fallen under the umbrella of “hate,” what might happen if you ask yourself the question that began this whole conversation we are having here:  Where is the love?

Yes, truly, where is it?

(Lisa McCormack is a Feature Editor at The Global Conversation and lives in Orlando, Florida.  To connect with Lisa, please e-mail her at Lisa@TheGlobalConversation.com.)

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  • Kristen

    Many of these groups are so devoted to their God that they are following His instructions, and Y’shuas of loving God with all your heart, therefore they are putting God above man in many issues like the lesbian wedding cake. You cannot say that love for their God means hate toward others, they are making a choice to put their Gods views, although very distorted and misunderstood, before societies. This is called Love, Faith, Loyalty, Respect and many other positive things, not hate. What if you ever felt you had to choose between your God or those you loved, and complete strangers or society. Surely it is your right to make the same choice. The CwG books teach this using the example of a real estate deal (book two I think), and Neales God asking why people would want to force people to do business with, honour agreements with etc those who do not want to do business with or even have relationships with you. I completely agree with CwG on this one, and learnt this lesson from Neales books although I am Kabbalist and under the Biblical God, not Neales God.

    Don’t we all have rights in the workplace?. As a cake decorator I have refused to do a Hindu cake and also sculpt a Buddha. I also refuse to do Angel cakes, or sell Angels and Nativity scenes at Christmas time as graven images are forbidden. When explained and I quote the scriptures that prohibit ME from undertaking these things, all the customers understand and respect my beliefs and spirituality, just as I respect theirs. I will not be forced to sell my soul by making money blatantly going against my loved Gods rules, and the possible consequences are not worth it. But this is New Zealand, where people are realistic, laid back, accepting and would never thinking of sueing anyone, not that we can sue people here anyway!!!

  • Christopher Toft

    I see the hatred and chaos as a reaction to globalization and the pace of change humanity is currently experiencing. I think hatred is a reaction to change and a lack of “stable” mono-cultural narrative. Most of us feel threatened, confused and uncertain about what really matters and what is truly meaningful and so some of us hang onto inflexible one dimensional ideas of right & wrong. That’s my take on hatred anyway. It’s part of what Neale calls “the storm before the calm”.

    • Christopher Toft

      “Do Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of a bakery in Oregon, Sweet Cakes by
      Melissa, who refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple based
      upon their Christian beliefs fall into such a category?”
      I don’t know whether I’d call this hate, more like aversion rooted in misunderstanding & fear. It could turn into hate if inflated perhaps.

      • Christopher Toft

        Just reread your post Lisa & I think I get the wider point you were trying to make- that all destructive emotions are distorted forms of love and that a good spiritual practice in cultivating compassion is to recognise the love that is there in violent actions, however twisted it has become?

  • Kristen

    Lisa and CwG,
    I am really upset to read that the store you have named Sweet Cakes by Melissa has been forced to close. Congratulations on spreading the hate and being a part of destroying a families life for simply enforcing their personal spiritual beliefs, which is their right as I have explained below.

    Hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • hempwise

      Kristen that’s the problem it’s not a spiritual belief it,s a religious one !
      Organized religion is intolerant spirituality see’s no differences only the perfection.

      Is making an observation hypocrisy ,remember there is no right or wrong in CwG IT IS WHAT IT IS .

      • Kristen

        Hi Hempwise.
        Spirituality – of the spirit/soul/Source. Relating to a persons beliefs as opposed to his or her physical or material needs. Relating to ones religious or other metaphysical beliefs. The core of the soul where one feels at home. or a sense of belonging or where one fulfils their own personal God Shaped Hole. Thoughts, beliefs and emotions forming the non physical aspects of each person, when they attain a connection with their overseeing God, Deity or The Source. All spiritual teachings from The Source and of the Greater Good will encourage all members to study the spiritual or religious beliefs of others, and accept the differences as well as the common ground. My spirituality is Kabbalah as this is what suits me best, and I was already a devout Kabbalist for many years before I had even heard of the word! Just as you may have already been a devout CwG believer or supporter long before you even read any of Neales books. This is the aspect of spirituality where we feel at home and it becomes our soul core.

        First mentioned in Genesis 6:3 “and the Lord said “my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he is also flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years”…………”And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the Earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually………….”.
        Ie the original human spirit was from the Biblical God.

        Religion – belief in or worship of a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine, superior to have control over human destiny, and any formal or belonging to any group with such beliefs.

        Religious – one deemed as a follower or any religion or singular supernatural deity, generally exhibiting loyalty through devotion, pious actions or enthusiasm toward ones personal religion or beliefs.

        I HAVE TO SAY YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THE TWO WORDS OF RELIGION AND SPIRITUAL. No matter what CwG states, by any definition it is a taught religion, with a God and a leader in Neale. If you don’t like it, then write to The Source. the Biblical God in His roles as the God of Law and the God of Language, and the people who write dictionarys and get the definitions of words changed.

        Your views are very unspiritual as you are not understanding or acknowledging the religious or spiritual beliefs of others. As a Kabbalist I have had to not only study Judaism and the Bible, but also CwG, Buddhism, Hinduism, New Age beliefs, Mediumship, Voodoo, Ancient Beliefs and those of many others. Pehaps you may like to do the same then you may understand the peoples Religions are at the core of their own personal spirituality.

        Under Universal Law there is a very simple observation to determine that people are not rascist, and are indeed spiritual even if their beliefs differ greatly from others. This is a basic manifestation of acceptance and open mindedness, combined with what we put into our bodies, brains and souls is what we are. This test for open mindedness and true spiritual acceptance of others is expressed in our diet and willingness to embrace and enjoy the foods of other cultures. Do you eat and enjoy indian food, south American, traditional western, chinese, italian, middle eastern etc??????????? If you can honestly answer this with a yes, then I will believe you are spiritual and have written your comment based on not understanding the words you have chosen. If a true Biblical God and religion hater you will not eat middle eastern foods and kebabs!!

        I will touch on hypocrisy in my reply to Christopher, as with the matter of chosing whom we trade with as MY views are the CwG views, which yours and Christophers are not, neither are Lisas.

    • Christopher Toft

      Kristen, if a person opened a general goods store and refused to serve Jews on the grounds of belief, he or she would go out of business pretty quickly on the basis that large numbers of people would consider this to be irrational & hateful. This is not “discrimination” or “spreading the hate”. It is simple free choice to disagree and choose to boycott the store. Cause & effect. Freedom to exclude people from your business on the basis of religious laws is not absence of consequences.

      • Kristen

        Hi Christopher.
        This will probably end up quite long as it is one of those things that involve so many different factors. Can you please read my reply to Hempwise in conjunction with this, (if you choose to).

        I’ll just explain I have high functioning Autism so every word has very clear meaning to me, a bit like a mental dictionary so I read things a bit differently to most people. I am a very normal boring person though!!!

        Firstly the hypocrisy, which Neale is also touching on in the main thread. The early CwG teachings explain that no-one should try to force anyone to to anything they do not want to do, for which business and real estate deals were used as an example. As was the example of not wanting to be in relationships with people who did not want one with you. I learnt from these teachings and agree with them. I would love an honest world where it is acceptable to say “I do not want to…” although giving a simple explanation would be polite and less rude. Every religious and spiritual teachings covers this level of honesty, which is prevelant in all realms other than Earth.

        Other early CwG teachings are also that there are two sides to every story. Often two sides, and then the truth. Again, this is in many teachings, especially the bible including 2 Thessalonians 2:10 “…. and with all the deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not love of the truth, that they might not be saved”. CwG also teaches that people can only be deceived if they allow other to deceive them.

        Based on these two CwG teachings, then this very article is based on hypocrisy and anti-spiritual views, being in a CwG website. The very name of the thread is hypocrisy, and she is spreading hate about a business or people just because they exerted their freewill to choose how to run their own business, and were honest about it. There is the CwG side, and theirs, which was not expressed so yet again I have to defend those who are not in here to defend themselves. CWG WOULD FULLY SUPPORT THEIR CHOICE AND THE DEFINITION OF SPIRITUALITY WOULD MEAN THAT TRUE SPIRITUAL PEOPLE LIKE CWG’ERS ARE MEANT TO UNDERSTAND THEIR RELIGION AND SUPPORT THE BELIEFS OF OTHERS. I feel that Lisa’a entire article is going against Neales and his Gods teachings and beliefs. In a CwG website surely this is hyprocrisy. It is also spreading hate on a site that supposably promotes love and freewill (gosh, how 70’s that sounds, but probably that too – guess I won’t be going to conference!). If this was not about people making a choice based on a religious view, rather something else then it would not be in here. But I guess in an Anti God and Religion website thats the main target, just like the Salvation Army bashing just before Xmas!

        On the actual matter of the cake, we are not talking about refusing to serve a customer in a shop at all. I am sure that like me they are serving Hindus, Jewish, Muslim and gay customers all the time when they are buying ready made cakes and stock in the shop. Like all business owners it is their choice to stock whatever they choose. And to stay in business when we are all competing against the internet, I am sure that like me, they stock things that are not to their personal taste, but what the consumer wants.

        We are talking about commissioning someone to make a personal item for you. It is their mind, hands and brain working on this item. Surely we all have the right to choose to do commissioned works with our own freewill in mind. This is a fundamental at the core of most businesses, not just this one business. As a Kabbalist, I always have to give at least six examples for everything as Kabbalah is based on learning and proving you understand rather than any teachings so other examples may be:

        Does a website designer HAVE to design a porno website?
        Does a sculptor HAVE to sculpt a large penis?
        Does a dressmaker HAVE to make latex bondage gear?
        Does a sex shop HAVE to make stuff in every colour and size?
        Does a vege shop HAVE to grow organic food?
        Does a food manufacturer HAVE to make halal food?
        Does every church HAVE to marry gay couples?
        Does every designer HAVE to make clothes for the obese?
        Does every bakery HAVE to provide for every allergy?
        Does every house builder HAVE to make it wheelchair friendly?
        Does every clothes designer HAVE to take on every job offered?

        I assume you get what I mean. It is about publically singling out one business who are enforcing their freewill in choosing not to undertake a commissioned work based on their own personal beliefs . Remember the entire word marriage is a biblical one also, and the dictionarys have not been changed yet so still state between a man and woman (so is gay marriage even possible until the word is changed?) Cakes are also biblical, they were introduced as sweet breads with fruit in them thousands of years ago. If they choose to respect and choose their God and their personal spiritual beliefs over strangers surely this is not something punishable by public execution of their business and physical threats? As a CwG’er you probably do it every day. What if you were a cake decorator and I asked you to make me a cake with the ten commandments written on them, to some of the fear God scriptures?? Are you OK with this since it is against your personal beliefs and that of YOUR God? What if you felt it was disrespectful to your Gods beliefs and believed in Judgement Day so it may cost you eternity in Heaven. Is it worth losing over $300?? They are erring on the side of caution, and good on them.

        I know that gay is very ‘in’, and it is very cool to be seen as public gay supporters at the moment, but this is actually nothing to do with religion or gay. It is a freewill choice matter. And Scripture doesn’t state God hates gays, it speaks of sodo-y as being forbidden. As a God He cannot override love for love is The Sources ultimate, but He can tell His people (who at the time where Israelites living on their family farm called Israel) that he will not accept or tolerate sodom-ers and they will not get into His Heaven. Again this is the perocotive of any landowner and ruler. When in Rome do as Romans do. He also stated that women are not to make love to a woman as they would to a man – again this is referring to sexual contact, not the relationship. The radical baptists know this, which is why they use the term fa-g for it is meaning a cigarette shaped item, and refers to the original word of a young boy in British schools carrying out the boring tasks for the schools seniors. As in a bum boy (servant boy). They are provoking, and not using the word sodo-y presumably as that is TMI for the general public and their children.

        In regard to consequences, I feel the opposite to you, that it those who do not respect peoples freewill and publically ‘diss’ them, especially depriving them of a family income that will carry consequences.

        Sorry this is a sermon, wait for the sequel.

        • Christopher Toft

          “I assume you get what I mean. It is about publically singling out one business who are enforcing their freewill in choosing not to undertake a commissioned work based on their own personal beliefs .”

          Yes I get your point. Thanks for clarifying:) This is a little different & under those circumstances I would respect the person’s point of view. I don’t think I would go back to that shop though, because I simply would not feel welcome and I would probably advise my gay friends not to go there either. This is bad for business, for the families, bad for everyone. This isn’t hatred, it’s the wish to avoid being treated as less than human. From my point of view there is simply no rational reason for these religious prohibitions. I spoke to a very wise Tibetan lama on Friday about homosexuality and he was very clear that he saw no harm in two people of the same sex loving one another. He said sexual misconduct is things like rape and other forms of violence.

          “Remember the entire word marriage is a biblical one also, and the dictionarys have not been changed yet so still state between a man and woman (so is gay marriage even possible until the word is changed?)”

          I suspect people were marrying each other for thousands of years before the bible was written. Given that marriage is a human concept created by humans, I’d say we have the perfect right to change that definition when it starts to feel smaller than the sum total of how people experience their most intimate relationships.

          “Cakes are also biblical, they were introduced as sweet breads with fruit in them thousands of years ago”

          Yahweh has the monopoly on cakes now???

          “If they choose to respect and choose their God and their personal spiritual beliefs over strangers surely this is not something punishable by public execution of their business and physical threats?”

          Nobody is being punished. Physical threats are unacceptable. However, actions have results. Businesses are perfectly free to turn people away if they wish and consumers are perfectly free to boycott a product if they dislike the service or product they receive. This is not hatred it’s economics.

          “What if you were a cake decorator and I asked you to make me a cake with the ten commandments written on them, to some of the fear God scriptures?? Are you OK with this since it is against your personal beliefs and that of YOUR God?”

          The context of this changes the situation. Yes I would be okay with making this cake because the cake is for them not me. A business that refused on CWG belief grounds would be subject to the same consequences as these people with prohibitions against homosexuality.

          “What if you felt it was disrespectful to your Gods beliefs and believed in Judgement Day so it may cost you eternity in Heaven. Is it worth losing over $300?? They are erring on the side of caution, and good on them”

          If we believe in a god who punishes we fear hell. Stress is not good for us. Fear ties us in knots & blocks compassion, which is why I think it’s a terrible idea.

          “He can tell His people (who at the time where Israelites living on their family farm called Israel) that he will not accept or tolerate sodom-ers and they will not get into His Heaven.”

          God has never explained his apparently irrational dislike of sodomy.

          ” Again this is the perocotive of any landowner and ruler. When in Rome do as Romans do.”

          Landowners and rulers are dangerous. “When in Nazi Germany, do as the Nazis do”.

          Clearly, we are poles apart here. I do like you though, you’re funny and kind and hey I love cats!:)

          • Kristen

            Hi christopher,
            I have (yes, under duress!!! not) to say that is a nice rarity to see someone in here with their own opinions. No matter whether people are in agreeance or not, sheeple mentality and automatically agreeing with others is very dangerous ground, and the downfall of a lot of society.

            I like your format of showing what you are replying to especially when there are so many different factors, but alas, I am more than a bit thick on working out how to do these things so I can’t follow suit!

            God’s irrationality – I love your new definition of irrational! Is it “where someone has a view point but does not explain it for whatever reason”?. Haha. Thats a new one, perhaps irrational but I’ll go with it. On your theory of this we are all irrational – perhaps you have just defined and solved on of the great questions of all, you can work out the question (thats a Kabbalic way) but the answer would be “because everyone and everything is irrational”. In the Binah position of female principles and understanding on the Tree of Life/Kabbalic learnings there are heaps of assignments to do before people can progress to God and The Source is what I called the rationality test. You have to write down 100 things you do not like, and using everything you have previously studied, try to write why you do not like that thing. If they (God, The Source and females governing the Binah position – where I work) feel there are not valid reasons or you cannot explain then they will force it upon you under the Law of Harmony until you make your peace with it/them. This is a part of why I am in this site!! Turst me, I KNOW how strict things are, God will have valid reasons, rational ones, and I am with Him on that particular matter. BUT your Tibetan Lama is correct in his view, and that is the one Law shares. God rules the true Heaven where anyone immortal goes though, so He gets a say in what is and is not permitted on His land. The afterlife that Neales God rules is a different ballgame (oops!), anything goes but people can only use the energy to sustain life there for a max of ten years hence reincarnation. If you really want irrational – just look at cats! Whats with “hey biarch, we are gonna turn up at your house, will only eat the best of foods in clean ceramic bowls as we don’t do plastic, we need our own doors as we do not share, you will stay up all nite until we are ready to come home to shut us inside so we are safe, we will fight if we want to and you can pay all the vet bills, hell we will even have babies if we want to although we were meant to be speyed – and breed with a fat ginger so have the ugliest kitten ever which you will keep, we need our own activities or we will attack your couches, we will massage/claw you every night for an hour and demand pats, we will sleep on clean preferably white washing AND we will climb under your covers when we are cold and attack you if you dare move. Oh yeah, and remember to flea and worm us or we will leave flea eggs all over the house”. – they make God look placid and sane! just! Unfortunately just as I and sane people love cats, they love us too. Dogs have owners, cats have slaves!!

            God and cakes – I know all of this is farfetched, but 2 Thessalonians 2 defines Neales God as He of Lawlessness who exhaults himself over everything that is Gods. He ruled Earth from 1977 – Dec 2012. If you go through the Bible and Universal Law as well as our previous Human Laws on Earth is is very easy to see how he has reversed and changed every Law primarily via reincarnation, and has also literally gone through the Bible and changed everything that ‘is Gods’. including cakes. As a child of the 70’s, I could see everything changing drastically in the early 80’s – it isn’t exactly discreet. We don’t need to go into this though, most people are unknowingly victims of it, it’s all a game to make the real God hate as many as possible and prevent them from gaining immortality and climbing the Tree of Life to God!!

            Being treated as less than human – that line is a tear jerker! I’m sure no-one has meant for anyone to feel like that BUT try being a middle class white self employed single parent in the country your ancestor set up for YOU, now taken over by immigration, globalisation, silly Laws, overseas owned big businesses etc. No rights at all in any catagory, but hey, we breed em tough down here!!! Majority groups no longer have rights, all the minority groups have them all, as do migrants. Yes I am completely opposed to immigration. Full stop!

            PS – when you friends who are prepared to travel to different countries to get their wedding cakes (you said it) decide that NZ may be as good choice as America, you may want to tell them to boycott my shop too. Not over gay wedding cakes, but just because I’m in a lazy phase so only doing easy things so turning half the cakes down. Customers don’t mind when I explain! Marketing strategy – makes them buy all the stuff to do it themselves which I make more money out of anyway!!!

            End of short story – just filling in your time at work for ya!

          • Christopher Toft

            “Hi christopher,
            I have (yes, under duress!!! not) to say that is a nice rarity to see someone in here with their own opinions. No matter whether people are in agreeance or not, sheeple mentality and automatically agreeing with others is very dangerous ground, and the downfall of a lot of society.”

            I agree:)

            “I like your format of showing what you are replying to especially when there are so many different factors, but alas, I am more than a bit thick on working out how to do these things so I can’t follow suit!”

            I find it helps me organize my thinking when I break stuff down:)

            “I love your new definition of irrational! Is it “where someone has a view point but does not explain it for whatever reason”?. Haha. Thats a new one, perhaps irrational but I’ll go with it.”

            Not exactly. I would call it irrational when people have a point of view but cannot explain the thinking behind it. A lot of people say actions are good or evil but they cannot give a moral reason as to why. For me ethics are rooted in whether an act is kind or destructive and it doesn’t make sense to me to say something is bad unless you can say what is destructive or harmful about it.

            “because everyone and everything is irrational”. You believe everyone & everything is irrational? Wow no wonder you want laws!;)

            “You have to write down 100 things you do not like, and using everything you have previously studied, try to write why you do not like that thing. If they (God, The Source and females governing the Binah position – where I work) feel there are not valid reasons or you cannot explain then they will force it upon you under the Law of Harmony until you make your peace with it/them”

            Sounds familiar- “What you resist persists”!

            “of this is farfetched, but 2 Thessalonians 2 defines Neales God as He of Lawlessness who exhaults himself over everything that is Gods.”

            I don’t think Neale’s god exalts himself over anything. How can it? Everything cannot exalt itself over itself can it? Be like my leg saying “Oi! Arm! I’m way better than you!”

            “PS – when you friends who are prepared to travel to different countries to get their wedding cakes (you said it) decide that NZ may be as good choice as America, you may want to tell them to boycott my shop too. Not over gay wedding cakes, but just because I’m in a lazy phase so only doing easy things so turning half the cakes down. Customers don’t mind when I explain! Marketing strategy – makes them buy all the stuff to do it themselves which I make more money out of anyway!!!”

            I would be honoured to buy a cake from your shop. Presuming you didn’t refuse over the gay thing;)

            PS- I have never seen an ugly kitten in my life!

          • Kristen

            Hi ya,
            Re what you resist persists – yes it is similar but much more in depth. Its actually a great self discovering learning curve I think everyone should undertake. It’s is surprising what your own logic is, as well as where things come from. Many are just the way we are meant to be. Well, were for me anyway. From this position though, everything is very proactive and in place to quickly sort you out. SImilar exercises are done with fear. What surprised me is how many of my reasons were acceptable, and what was not. I had guinea pigs on my list – they are pointless, hairy rats without a tail, and scurrying things freak me out as they are so fast I cannot predict what they will do. Dammit – kids turned up with damn guinea pigs I had to care for and be nice to for 6 months once they lost interest. Short haired dogs was another as I prefer long haired ones as thats just my taste. Surprise, surprise – on the next street a couple of times a week their boxer kept escaping by digging holes under then fence and guess who just happened to be there so had to be nice to it, entice it with food back through the gate and fill the holes. Yes, I will concede she was lovely but….. I have gotten away with almost a phobia about amputees moving their stumps on Autism grounds as my brain cannot process a stump or linb moving with no foot or hand attached AND a hated of elephant trunks moving, it freaks me out as it is such an odd concept and animals are either hairy or bald, not inbetween. Actually, maybe it was just too impractical for them to deliver an elephant to home!!

            I was mocking your irrational idea of God being irrational just because he didn’t explain something in depth. We all do this all the time, it’s normal but I know He can explain why. And I know why, I can access this via intuition but won’t put it here again, I did in December in a Salvation Army dissing thread.

            Buying cakes – big trip!!!!! Of course I wouldn’t refuse over ‘the gay thing’. This thread even astounds me that it even exists. I thought we were in a world where gay and anything else is at the point where people will be able to make an observation, but will not have anything to say to think about it beyond this point. It’s just one of many different brain types, thats all. My kids have all said that they are well aware of who is gay at their schools, especially if obviously camp, but they are never teased or anything. And this is at three different schools, one a Christian School for nerds! In fact at my youngest sons school kids get beaten up if they tease or are mean about the special needs kids. And so they should! Fastest way to learn not to be mean! I have gay customers and gay friends. I’ve even done a cake for a guy of his blow up doll. As in he takes it to parties and it ‘sleeps’ in his bed!!!! Worse is that his mother ordered it for his 50th and is completely oblivious that is is more than just a fun party trick. Oh dear.

            The kitten is ugly – trust me. Black and white mum, ginger dad makes a tabby. Who’d have thought! But a mottley one with one half of its face ginger, odd patches all over and some stripes. Butt ugly in a georgous way that only a mother could love, and I do. Witnessed the most freaky thing though – when he was 2 months old I noticed a yellow rim around his blue/violet pupils. over the next three days the yellow moved in slowly a mm at a time until they were completely yellow. Crazy thing to witness.

            Anyway enough about me! I waffle way to much when I choose to go online rather than catch up on chores!!

            Found a new job yet, and ditched the cigarettes without too much insanity?

          • Christopher Toft

            Ditched the ciggies yes, found a job? Painful question.

          • Kristen

            A job as opposed to a new job?? Sorry. Shouldn’t assume.

            You might have to look into a completely new career, especially if you are a money shuffler by trade (my term for most city jobs). I hear there is a worldwide shortage of cake decorators to specialise in gay weddings?????!!!! Fun, and easy money!!

            The good news for you is that it’s international job finding day! My daughter has finally got a fulltime one 5 months after graduating Uni, neighbour got a new one with more hours today, customer got offered permanent fostering of two kids (that pays well at $200 per child per week!) and another customers hubby finally got a job after a year so she can quit one of hers. Good luck and trust that prior to reincarnation you knew what you were doing and if the old you then had arranged for a period of time without work and income then you know what you were doing, possibly even a catalyst to force yourself into something different, to shift away etc. Look at the timing with your new found inner new age mumbo jumbo, and ditching the white man affliction. No fluke!!

            xx

          • Christopher Toft

            “You might have to look into a completely new career, especially if you are a money shuffler by trade (my term for most city jobs). I hear there is a worldwide shortage of cake decorators to specialise in gay weddings?????!!!! Fun, and easy money!!”

            Thanks for raising a smile:)

            Yeah, struggling with the work situation. I shall trust my new found new age inner mumbo jumbo and I’m sure I’ll get there. Hard couple of days.

          • Kristen

            Hope you are doing OK. Lovey dovey and new age mumbo jumbo words really don’t help much, other than knowing people do care and would help if they could, no matter the problem, so I in the absence of a job offer i will offer practical help, all accommodating the new you!

            1. The Eastern Mystic way. Invite a platonic friend over so this does not end up a lap dance. Stand relaxed in a cleared area with high oxygen levels (a park would be good) and take deep breaths and swing your arms in circles, in opposite directions 37 times then swap directions. Stiffen your body by clenching every muscle then relax as you exhale. Sit on a chair and get your friend to gently wave their arms all around you whilst talking in a mystical monotonous tone about cleansing your aura and chakras like a beautiful butterfly. Upon completion of this find a doll or something to represent you, which may be a drawing like a white line on the ground like a crime scene. Place pins in this as equal intervals to use transferance representative acupuncture on the same holistic basis as cranial osteopathy in babies (they use the mother). This probably won’t achieve anything at all, but the butterfly thing looks insane, my daughter did it to my very serious mother many years ago when she had a migrane and my mother laughed for the first time ever I think. If the acupuncture accidently works as voodoo, sorry about that. I’m not asian. But at least your meridian lines will be aligned, your chakras centred, your aura cleansed and positive happy hormone chemicals produced. A good start!

            2. the Psychic way. I think I’m useless at this, but hey, whats new, and well out of practice, but seriously I can see a picture of a little op shop on a main road within walking distance. There is a silver teapot in it which may be representative of sharing, changes through friendships, spiritual awakening, feminine principles etc. This could also mean undertaking the op shop challenge that I am doing this year where you are only allowed to buy 2nd hand, nothing new other than underwear and gifts. 2nd hand purchase have a universal blessing whereby whatever you see and like will automatically be in your size or you will find exactly what you want. I have done up the interior of my house doing this, I even found the exact 1960’s door knobs I needed for a french door. This is definately something to produce income, probably a catalyst, it may be that they may need someone for a few hours a week in a paid position to do something you offer so see you through. Or perhaps volunteering one day a week may introduce you to someone that will lead to a job. Watch for tea drinkers, and cheat by snooping in any local op shops to see what they could possibly need that you can offer. They may not have though of it as places run by volunteers tend to be very small minded and not realise what a paint job, new flyers or signage, a new image etc can do for them.

            3. The Visualisation Way. This needs to be done in a park with a friend or group. visualise a large box and mentally place anything negative in your life or past into it and shut it firmly. Ie anything you no longer want or that is negative for you. If you can’t visualise you can use a real box, fridge size and place bits of paper in it. You then need to physically walk for 15 minutes with your arms out pushing the box either mentally or physically if using a real box and ensure it is not taken home with you. This is a part of the Law of Attraction sending a clear message to the Universe about what you do not want before it will provide what you do want BUT it will work with financial results as with all the people witnessing you, and all the CCTV cameras in the UK, you will then be able to apply for a out of work benefit on mental health grounds, and will have witnesses and footage to prove you are nuts!!

            4. The New Age way. This I can guarantee to work. Do this inside but you will need a 5 metre clearing so may need to move furniture first. You will need three friends, a trinity of sorts. All different with a common demoninator. William, Kate and the baby will do, or friends that meet the criteria of the good, bad and ugly, or straight, gay and girl etc. They need to come bearing gifts, probably wine, the game twister and nuts. You need to put on some type of tight lower garment (not womens – cross dressing freaks me out) like long johns or tight shorts and a non gay style t-shirt. As in past your hips and wider sleeves nearly to your elbows. Lie on your tummy with your feet in the middle of a circle with your head exactly 20 degrees past north (or any direction will actually do but I’ve gotta keep it new agey). Extend your arms out and place a mark on the floor with chalk then move around do you have 12 marks like a clockface. The radius will be toes to fingertips. Place a tealight candle on each mark, to represent light/spirituality and new beginnings or you can replace the candles with anything at all to represent the candles. This is probably best done standing up I think. Just an idea!! On the far side of each candle/representative place 12 grains of salt representing you being the salt of the Earth and the highest value of currency under natural Law (I collect different salts, yup, I’m odd). On the other side of the salt place a different item of your clothing including shoes representing the whole you including your new journey. On each of these items of clothing place a heart. Probably a paper one as it’s just too time consuming to get real ones. this is the Universes and your own love for all the different aspects of you. Light the candles. Being English you now need to put on sandals and socks. Now lie back in the position in the centre and starting at the first point you drew, you can either do two press ups or the yoga dog pose then then the rest pose for ten seconds. Repeat at each position whist never lifting your sandalled feet off the ground. When completed extinguish the candles. Now you and your friends need to to the complete dance off the music video to the song Praise You, have a wine then play clothed twister with your sandal and socks still on. This will explain the clothing and your warm up exercises!! This one is guaranteed to work because the objective and goal is complete failure and nothingness other than laughter and looking like a complete dork. These are the best guarantees in life, and a trick on competative people. Set out to fail or achieve nothing. Win, win! It will really work to change your life though if you believe it will, on the placebo effect or blind faith. These things are real so you can manipulate anything if you can honestly believe in it.

            5. The Kabbalic way. This one is real, and probably a secret but I stumbled upon it whilst spending years studying when at work (therefore not working very hard). It is the Kabbalic version of living on faith, rt the saying of the Universe will Provide, but with deliberate understanding and a mutual trade. This is really helped and works perfectly in conjunction with the fore mentioned op shop challenge because of the blessings mentioned. I can only recommend this one cause you have put a photo in here and your orientation is much more successful at things like this than others. The Source who governs all only acknowledges beauty, perfection and things positive. This sounds mean, but just how it is. A Tree of Life diagram online with confirm this if you don’t believe me. If you really really look at the words perfection and beauty, and think them outloud to yourself everytime you notice them every day which may be hundreds. From having the right change, just catching a bus, synchronicity, seeing beautiful clothes, buildings, people, plants, animals etc. Just do this for three days until you get the gist of it. Then make a 100% commitment to not go below this level in your own life, mainly meaning the little things like no dirty dishes in the sink, matching socks, good grooming, fresh air, tidy clothing, not settling for negative, no bruises on fruit, matching glasses etc then you are providing the positive energy via beauty and perfection that The Source needs to maintain all life. It/he will then reciprocate with you in also providing perfection/beauty and all things good. These are represented by, and transmitted to Earth via the Sun so you will need to enjoy the Sun if you ever have any, to absorb the energy (BTW The Sun is the best healer, staring into it for ten seconds at sunset and sunrise provides many minerals and vitamins – I thinks thats a secret too!). You will see this perfection more and more in the first examples of what you need will be cheap in op shops, you will only need to use change for coffee – never notes or cards (switch to cash whilst doing this) and you will have everything you need as you need it BUT at the minimal level. If a friend turns up you may be down to one bottle of wine and half a packet of crisps etc. If you use a cheque book (I’m old) then the money will be in your account the day the cheque is presented not the day you write it out or the day it is due etc. This one really really works, and is always my plan C if anything happens (I only ever get sick on days off work, what I want or need will be in the first shop I go to and marked down to half price etc), but remember when noticing it that is isn’t abundance, it is perfection so you may not get a new job until you actually need it or only a part time one. Not a good life style choice longterm, but a very clever and good shortterm backstop. If more knew of this and aimed to appease The Source I am sure there would be no homelessness etc, but this would not work for the obese and those who have let themselves go. If I let my guard down for a few days I can see it stopping to work so it’s actually quite a hard challenge. Well for me as a working mum with a big house and three messy teen and generally a few spare kids anyway. You’ll probably find it quite easy, but the key is acknowledgement and knowing it consciously.

            Good luck and take care, and hope I’ve filled in a bit of time for ya!!!
            K

            Un edited – makes things so much more interesting to try to understand!

          • Christopher Toft

            Kristen you’re very sweet:) I’m having a very quiet pleasant weekend with my boyfriend, we’ve just been shopping & had a nice coffee in town & we’re now relaxing at home. I tend to deal with life’s difficulties through accepting what is & responding as best as I can to the situation. I am sure my situation will improve soon & i will obtain the job i desire. I appreciate your kindness & thoughtfulness very much.

          • Kristen

            All you can do it give people a smile, even if at the expense of the absurdities of fruitloops. I deal with things the same, as sane people do………..although the Kabbalic one does work.

            Had a nice weekend too, but ours was enjoying the last of the lovely Autumn days drinking cider at the shopping centre pub and a nice rare kidfree weekend!

            Good luck.

      • Kristen

        Christopher,
        This is not of relevance here, hence being in an old thread in the hope you will get a disqus alert. My teacher/guide has asked me to pass on that if your real name is Christopher Toft you may like to change your disqus alert when job hunting. Apparently if potential employers google you all of your comments in here will come up. Must be important for him to bowl up and ‘grab’ my hand when I was just reading, so I’d probably take their advice.

        Good luck.

  • I use to be a member of The Southern Poverty Law Center, but stopped years ago.

    They in my opinion are not open minded to other ideas to help heal hate groups. One reason may be, that there is already a solution & if implemented would put them out of business.

    They never acknowledged my emails about some basic concepts that totally allude them. The KKK and other groups have little power when no one shows up for their rally. Our own disgust, condemnation, hate for these groups fights with the same energy they have & we don’t even realize it. It’s insane is it not?

    The SPLC never answered my emails that took a more spiritual approach, not even a form letter. They just wanted my money. So I’m not real impressed with them.

    Hate groups are often fueled by the condemnation of those who feel self righteous in their hatred against them. This is not the answer. The answer is to pour light & love on such groups. In time they will move out of y/our experience or move into it, influenced by the love energy that changes and softens the hatred & eventually heals it.

    Magically,
    -Marko

    • Kristen

      I’ve read similar about many groups, including cancer research, climate change and other scientific groups. It is sad that these groups are placing more importance on their own jobs, public status and groups sustainabliity than those they are publically stating they support and the core objective they are receiving funding and donations for. I think many are only giving 25% effort deliberately.

  • Erin

    “Where is the love?”
    We lit a flame, set a cauldron of Love to brew upon it…and each has added their own ‘special ingredient’ to the pot as they passed. Now it is a Stew, with a lot of flavoring. It boils over now & then, with much food for thought & nourishment, critiqued by every taster…some come back for more, others get indigestion. Welcome to Human’s Soup Kitchen…BYOB (bring your own bread!)

    If we allow the stew to reduce, strain off the additives…There ya go…We are back to base-ics of Love. Like “Prego”…”It’s in there!”, just a tad spicier than originally. 🙂

    As far as good business goes: It is obviously not profit-wise to exclude a useable market target. All monies run through same banks, which is what business is concerned about…trading goods for money. I doubt churches of any religion question “Where did this ‘donation’ originate?” No, it’s useable cash-flow, regardless of who’s pocket it was in at some point in it’s existence.

    As far as Bible-quoting, seeking justification of one’s righteous thinking…”man & woman” may not have actually been regarded as only of outward appearances. If one looks deeper, as in same-sex relationships, there is a feminine & masculine within the unity of either gender. Just sayin’.

    How about creating a map of ‘Love Groups’ about? Perhaps with both hung on the wall, We would truly See “Who’s zoomin’ who”, yes? 🙂

    Blessings, Lisa…Nice breakfast! <3