The question of the year
WHAT IF EVERY EVE
WAS NEW YEAR’S EVE?

And so, very soon now, we begin another year. Another cycle in the continuous circling of the Earth around the Sun. Another passage of the Body, Mind, and Soul through the Labyrinth of Life.

And as we end the latest of these rotations and begin again yet another, every thinking surely person must ask, “What is the point of this? Are we truly ‘just going round in circles,’ pretending that our elliptical course is a straight line actually getting us somewhere?”

I wrote the commentary below a few years ago, and I was re-reading it today as we celebrate in my house the passage and the experience of a wonderful Christmas, and as we await the New Year. In that previous commentary I asked:

Is there any kind of purpose or destination to this cycle that we call our life? Or are we lined up at the starting gate like horses at Churchill Downs, itching to race like mad to get to where we began—this time strangely and ironically calling that place the Finish Line?

Can I be the only one who will entertain such thoughts a few hours from now as I and a group of my friend and relatives stand holding our glasses, gaily—and with not a little bit of melancholy—counting down: “five…..four…..three…..two…..ONE!”, and then shouting “Happy New Year” as if seeking to convince each other that the endless passage of time is actually something to celebrate?

What will we be celebrating?, I’m asking myself today. Where are we going actually?, I wonder.

And then we will sing…

Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind?
Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and days of old lang syne?

For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we’ll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.

The sadness, the poignancy, of the song never fails to bring tears to my eyes—more so, I notice, with each passing year. I wondered this morning about the origin of this traditional New Year’s Eve song, and so I opened Wikipedia to find (and I knew this before, but had simply forgotten) that it is a Scots poem written by Robert Burns long ago (in 1788, to be specific) and set to the tune of a traditional folk song.

It’s well known in many countries, especially (but far from exclusively) in the English-speaking world; its traditional use being to celebrate the start of the New Year at the stroke of midnight. By extension, it is also sung at funerals, graduations and as a farewell or ending to other occasions.

The song’s Scots title may be translated into English literally as “old long since,” or more idiomatically, “long, long ago,””days gone by” or “old times.” Consequently “For auld lang syne,” as it appears in the first line of the chorus, is loosely translated as “for (the sake of) old times.”

For my own part, I’ve sung the song too many times, in the presence of too many dear, dear people, to be able to not cry…because too many of these dear, dear people have been forgot, in the sense that they are no longer a part of my present-moment life. And I wonder (my mind does these things to me), as I look into the faces of those who are here now, how long they will be part of my life, or if, on some future New Year’s Eve, I’ll be singing (and gently weeping) about them…

I don’t like it that so many present and pleasant experiences so fast turn into bitter-sweet memories…sweet because of their content, bitter because they are never to be visited again. I want no endings in this life! Really. Really. I want no endings. I’m tired of endings. Especially where people are concerned. I want people who have meant something to me to mean something to me always, and I want to be able to experience that meaning always—not as a memory, but as a here-and-now occurrence.

Perhaps that is the meaning of it all. Perhaps that is the purpose of this circular journey we are on. Perhaps it is all a journey to where we have already been, so that we may have, again and again and again, the experience that we are overjoyed to have: the experience of Who We Really Are—which is Love. Love Announced, Love Expressed, Love Sent and Received.

This thought fills me with a determination to make every moment that I now have with my Beloveds count.

I’ve made that resolution before, of course. And then I get right back into my Everyday, and somehow, someplace, somewhere, I lose touch with my determination to live life in such a way that Every. Single. Solitary. Moment. is filled with Love Announced, Love Expressed, Love Sent and Received.

But this morning (I wrote this part on a past New Year’s morning) I awoke with a startling idea. What if I sang Auld Lang Syne in my head every time I saw a person who is Now In My Life who is special to me? What if I started singing it quietly inside of myself every time I see them, every time I speak with them, every time I hug them or share space with them in any way?

What a marvelous idea!, I told myself. Yes, I will sing that song in my head, and pretend that it is some future New Year’s Eve and that the person in front of me is, for some reason, no longer there. Then I will blink back the soft and hopefully hidden misty eyes of my present moment melancholy and speak words to her, and use tones of voice with him, and share emotions with them that truly present, in the present, the fullness of my feelings for them.

And then I will smile and hold with deep inner joy and undisguised outward celebration the fact that this is not some sad future New Year’s Everything when they are gone, but that we are Right Here, Right Now.

And then I will smile a deeper smile, knowing that all those who have been in my Now Moment before will return to my present awareness and my present experience when I, myself, travel to The Other Side, celebrating my own Continuation Day, leaving my body and going Home.

There they will all be, waiting. There we will all hug and squeeze and touch and hold and smile and talk and dance with excitement and joy as we embrace, once again, the presence of each other (and the gift of each other, the presents of all those with whom we have intertwined our lives in Soul Love).

And to those with whom we have made mistakes, we will say, “I’m sorry. I’m so sorry,” as those who have made mistakes with us will say the same. And we won’t even feel a need to forgive them, nor will they feel a need to forgive us, for it will not matter to either of us what has been done, as we will deeply understand what wounds in ourselves and the other could cause such experiences—and, filled with compassion, once again we will deeply love.

And to those with whom our only sadness has been their departure from our lives, we will say, “My God, how good…how very, very, very good…to see you again.”

And we will have spoken rightly. For it will be “God” that we are seeing again. The Divinity in everyone—including ourselves—will be apparent to us then as the miracle and the mystery of Life reveals itself to us once we are free of our limited human perspective.

And so today, knowing this, I actively and joyously choose to see God in everyone right now. Not just in some Future Now, but in this Now. And I’ll sing Auld Lang Syne not just this coming New Year’s Eve, but every New Eve and every New Morn that my present life on Earth still brings me. I will make this very minute New Year’s Eve all year long, in my heart and in my mind.

And I’ll drink from—and share—a cup of kindness now, knowing that these are the days of Auld Lang Syne.

Happy New Year everyone. Happy, happy life.

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  • A true friend

    Neale Ive done so many childish mistakes that id wish i could fix them right here and right now. Is there anyway to repair the damage we have done. I have tried in the past to make ammends but it seems to me that my attempts have been in vain. If they haven’t done more damage then the original deed.
    I wish i could fix everything but i dont know how

    • Awareness

      Greetings A true friend 🙂 Let go of the past 🙂 Celebrate the NOW present moment instead 🙂

      The past has no power over the present moment” – Eckhart Tolle 🙂

      Bless ALL 🙂

    • Francisco Morfi

      Don’t be so hard on yourself true friend. Believe me we all make mistakes we wish we could take back. But it’s like awareness says: let go of the past and live your present as you would like it to be now. Believe me, when you live in the now the way you really want your life to be, others will notice and will come to realize who you really are and that is what really matters. We still have a lot to polish up in our lives true friend, we’ll get there; of that I have no doubts. Keep the faith and move on with your true intentions.

    • True Friend,

      The past cannot be changed, but our perspectives on it can be. For example, a child with a crayon in its little fist will almost always, left to its own devices, draw on floors, walls, whatever it can reach. It may even cause considerable damage, and an immediate response may be anger born of exhaustion or frustration.

      The damage is unintended because the child knows no better. Later, it’s much easier to let go of the damage when there’s some distance between the event and our looking back on it. We see it with wiser, gentler eyes.

      We’ve all hurt others, intentionally or not. The most important person with whom you can make amends is yourself.

      Love and Blessings,
      ~Annie

      • A true friend

        Im talking about taking responsibility for your actions.

        • True Friend,

          So was I. Cause and effect happens all over the place. Living with, and incorporating the experiences of cause and effect is, or can be, a spiritual journey and not just part of some sort of evolutionary probability.

          It certainly has been for me. I have had experiences that words aren’t adequate to describe, because words limit its multidimensional experience within the boundaries of 3D thinking. I choose to label those experiences as spiritual most often when I look back and can learn from the history of choices or causes I have put out, in all kinds of energies, and said (most of the time—I’m spiritual but certainly not a saint), “Ahhh… I did that, and this is the effect of it.”

          Years can pass between the two, or it can be so instantaneous it seems miraculous. (I find it perplexing that I even have to insert the word “seems” in that last sentence. Why can’t something improbable be also a miracle?)

          In fact, by doing so, I take full responsibility for the effects I have chosen or caused. Even moreso, I take responsibility for the attitude I choose to have about those causes and effects. And, because I believe my causes and choices have ripple effects on others, I also take responsibility for others who are affected by my choices (which I personally believe to be never ending), and my attitude about those effects.

          For myself, the issue first becomes one of safety when it comes to amends. Is it safe, including emotionally, to make amends personally? Then it becomes one of compassion. Is making amends in person necessary, or too painful for the other to hear? Are my words truthful and kind?

          I made amends with my Mama years after she passed over. I wrote a letter to her, then burned it as a way of letting it go. The true purpose of an amends is closure in your own life.

          ~Annie

    • Kirsten

      Hi,
      I learn a lot from music, one of The Universes languages to us all is that if any songs make it to a number 1, then the lyrics are a really important lesson, advice, learning exercise or parable for all to hear. When these lyrics are perfected, The Universe will kick in and assist with accompanying mysic to get the message to all. One of these songs is Just Give Me A Reason by Pink and Nate Ruess, beautiful and perfect, especially the line “we’re not broken, just bent”. Some people are a ‘broken’ type of person…when the damage is done, thats it, they move on not dwelling on the incident, in a similar way to forgiveness. They just move on, leaving people and issues behind them, whether it deeply affects them or not. I am one of these people, I do not hold into people or issues, they are just ‘stuff’. Others like yourself are ‘bent’ people, where you like everything to be fixable, and presumably, want people from the past to stay in your life longterm, or forever. I think the entire problem is that you are a ‘bent’ person trying to deal with ‘broken’ people. You want to fix the past, they have simply moved on and have the incidents and/or you in their memory as a thing of the past. Dont dwell on it, it will just do your head in, its like a cat trying to understand a dog, and another example of the same song, where the female is bringing up issues, and the guy is saying “wtf?”.
      Be proud that you have a conscience, and know the errors of your past, and are struggling to move on without closure. Most people dont. This is a Natural Law under the Karmic umbrella of consequences. You are not feeling the way you do to drive you to make amends, The Universe/God/The Source/Natural Law etc has decided that you are now a better person, so has bought these feelings up so you feel crap, as consequences. It is much better for you, and a blessing in disguise, that this karma is in place, so once it passes, the issues and your past are no longer in your personal records. Its a form of jail time, being trapped in your own mind, it will pass. And be grateful that your mistakes are ‘childish’ so fixable with natural Karma, so many people are in jail, dead, living with addictions and abuse, depression due to severe toxic guilt etc because of their ‘childish’ mistakes becoming serious adult ones.
      Take care and feel blessed, its all a compliment from above.
      K
      Xx

      • A true friend

        Where is the honor in moving on ? When you can state your mistake a seek to fix things ?

        • Kirsten

          The honor is in knowing you have grown up, have tried, have undergone consequences in some form, and understand when sometimes things cant be fixed, or others do not want your help in fixing these things. They prefer to do it their way. There is honor in understanding and accepting others are different to ourselves, and letting things go if they ask you to. There is a story I can vaguely recall about a leafy tree. A naughty kid hits branches with a stick and it loses lots of leaves. In trouble, he rakes them up and watches them all turn brown and rot under the leafless big branch, which then breaks off from damage. He shifts away, then returns as an adult with his own family, and the tree is still standing and looking beautiful and huge. He recalls the story to the new owners, and they say something like ‘oh, we thought the tree was special as it was assymetrical and thought you had put special mulch under it to make it flourish (the pile of rotton leaves), so every spring we buy compost and place it around the trunk to follow your example. I guess the point is that even when we do the damage, others around that person/tree will see the damage and take care of it, and may even allow it to flourish, when otherwise it was just a common old tree. If they need help with any damage you have done, be graceful, and allow other in their lives be a part of any healing. Sometimes stepping back from your own wrongs is the honorable thing to do.
          K

          • A true friend

            I wish my life was just a dream and i never had made any mistake. I wish i was perfect. If God couldn’t teach me perfection then there is no point to my life. I choose then to live separate from everything since when you are alone on a deserted island there can be no victim abd no villian. Its what i truly wish and hopefuly without doing any other mistake i will get what i want. I even have a idea on how to do this.

          • Kirsten

            Ok, so its not tough love you are needing then! Thanks for honesty, and expressing yourself a bit more personally.
            So you no longer wish to be human then? What would you like to be? A baboon with your big bald butt hanging out? A chimp so you can steal, scab off others, only express humanlike behaviour when there is a reward? An ape where you have no interest in personal enrichment activities and can kill with your bare hands with no consequences, just because you can? Or maybe a little monkey, yabbering about nothibg, living in constant fear of those bigger than you? Maybe you dont want thumbs…what about a cow, they seem pretty boring and harmless, and hopefully your owner will be kind so you are well milked, watered and fed? Oh no, that wont work, you might kick someone and hurt them! What would you prefer to be, other than human? You are already past an ostridge burying your head in the sand.
            That Island could get very boring with noone else, and being completely self sufficient. Heck, no shops!!! Try a small cabin somewhere, might be a bit easier if you arent a monkey.
            You are in a common karmic phase, again it is deliberate, where you are experiencing the accumulated negative experiences of others at your hands. Some define it as a constantly nagging pit of self judgement, where you would love a stranger to see you need help and throw a knotted rope in and make it all go away, yet also accept you got yourself there, and only you can pull yourself out or it wont work. Many turn to alcohol or drugs to help, please dont, it will only make things worse.
            Throw yourself a big rope with knots in it with peoples names on it. Starting at the bottom, look at each one carefully and assess what real damage you have done. You may have just been a catalyst for better things for them. A peace offering of even a coffee may work wonders, but remember victims owe you nothing, and dont even have to give you the chance to talk things over, thats their right. You cant pull off their bandages to look at scars you may have caused, just for your own peace of mind and healing.
            I am sure once you climb up your rope, person by person, you will see that your perception of damage is worse than their reality. Then your list of what you have to live with will be a lot smaller than it was. It was you that defined the matters as childish behaviour, so it obviously isnt matters like sexual abuse.
            Plan B for now…go back to the time mentally and look at their reaction then, and their age. Instead of working in the now, work with it at that age level and time, to see if you can find an antedote. Wounds and damage stay in that period of time in our memories, a 40yr okd will still feel like a 5yr old on matters that happened at that age. Even though they and you are different/older now, the matter is in a standstill time like a photo.
            Plan C for now….get a physical hobby that needs concentration, and allow your mind to wander while you partake in it. This concentrated level of mind wandering is at a frequency where you may get simple intuitive help on what to do, differing from whole free mind intuition like meditation, which is too deep when you feel like crap. Bonus, you are distracted and made something cool to pass negative time.
            Hope this helps, if not something will. Everyone is different, you just need to find the right seed for you to plant and work with.
            Xx

          • A true friend

            I gave a even numbers of flowers. As for what i want to be ? Something similar to a rock the only plot twist that there is just this one universe that happens to have just a big dumb rock and nothing else.

          • Kirsten

            Hi,
            My reply got deleted, I am screened in here. Grrr!! Ill try something different. Thanks for raw honesty….a rock is compatible with an island. So many people needing help are dishonest so its very hard to help. Look up what a rock means in a dream interpretaion book, anything we desire can be deemed the same as a dream. Work with those traits you are seeing or desire within your self.
            If it helps, most victims, however minor, have a sub conscious window of time when they will allow perpetrators to make amends, for me it would be around a week, then thats it. Then its in the hands of Karma or The Universe. I know people say its never too late, but I dont believe that, I am a victims or underdog advocate so have worked with many. They all seem to say its too late, or after a period of time they believe the perpetrators are only trying to make amends to make themselves feel better, which is generally true. Born again Christians or new agers are the worst, they are trying to make amends because they are told to, or for personal gain in the form of ‘brownie points’. The point is, we all act how we felt at a particular time, and your behaviour in the past was a form of honesty with others at the time. You may not have respected them, thought of them, may have taken your own issues out on others, may have abused them out of jealousy, may have taken something that was theirs etc. Either way, that was the honest you at the time, so change and a conscience is a good improvement and progress. In life, you failed at some things, but now you are passing with flying colours.
            Everyone is the lead actor in their own life, everyone else are extras in the play, from birth to death. They all come and go, but remember that while people are the extras in your play, you are also an extra in theirs whilst they have the lead. Where did your role in both plays take you, and where did it take them? And whenever people invite you into their play, which is a compliment, dont change their script, look at where they want you, and what they want from you, to determine if you want to be there and if its beneficial for them for you to be there. There is nothing wrong with sitting back like a rock in their audience, and enjoying watching other peoples plays unfold. Christmas Day with family is a good day to not be in anyones play, other than as an extra bearing gifts!!
            Xx

          • A true friend

            Rocks dont have conciousness so i wish i never had conciousness. Geez.

          • mewabe

            All hope is not lost, someone might be able to do that for you, if you ask really nicely. Do you speak ancient Greek? Long ago Zeus turned all the people of Thebes into stone.

          • A true friend

            I dont know if your trolling or being serious but stop it. I already lost the woman i love forever i just await the sweet release of death.

          • mewabe

            I am trying to take what you are saying seriously, but it is difficult as you speak in extremely general terms that almost sound like cliches and I am not sure anyone can understand what you are seeking. If you are serious, you need to be more specific in what your situation actually is and in what you want, because without that I am not sure even Neale could help you. What are you doing…are you serious or are you trolling?

          • A true friend

            Dead serious.
            My goal is repair every mistake i made.
            Move out of this city
            Get a job.
            Give money to charity.
            Waste tike wuth things i enjoy.
            Get to retire.
            Wait for the disease that will get me out of here.
            Hopefuly theres nothing i have to do after my death.
            If there is hopefuly everyone will just allow me to sit in the afterlife and do nothing.
            Just sit there and do nothing. Thats my plan

          • mewabe

            Except for “repairing every mistake”, that sounds like everyone’s plan. That’s a mainstream life, nothing original, a typical life sentence. What happened to living on a deserted island?

          • A true friend

            Doing nothing in the atter life is sort a deserted island. Here is everyone that has ever lived. And i will be sitting there thinking: Im the hugest idiot ever. I hurt everyone i love. Why would i even want to talk with them. So i can hurt them again. I wish all the damaged ive done repaired. Everybody to forget that i existed. Than to move into space that nobody can find and be alone forever.

          • mewabe

            You sound very young. Life is not this simple. It’s not black and white.
            But do you see your contradiction?
            You are publicly announcing that you want everyone to forget about you and that you want to disappear. When there is such an inconsistency, it makes people suspicious because your intentions are not clear.

          • A true friend

            Can you expand on this. I dont understand.

          • mewabe

            You are not clear on your intentions, so let me ask again: what do you actually want? If you want to disappear, then do it! But what do you want from Neale and others here? What do you actually hope to get from your repeated public announcements that you need to be left alone? Are you saying this to your supportive friends as well?
            I really have trouble taking you seriously.

          • A true friend

            Well to figure out how to repair every fucked up thing i did or maybe God repair it. Then just be alone somewhere for the rest of eternity.

          • mewabe

            Okay…I hope you can find your way. It is difficult for anyone here to help you without knowing the specifics. I hope your friends can give you good advice. But go easy on the self-blame game and self induced guilt…unless you are a psychopathic killer, I doubt that you could be such a horrible person. That’s what I meant by saying that life is not black and white.
            Getting angry is good, and you probably need to get to the actual root of your anger rather than turning it against yourself. I wish you well!

          • A true friend

            Your asking me what i did wrong ?

          • mewabe

            Only if you are willing to share it.

          • A true friend

            See previous

          • mewabe

            I replied, see the reply above.

          • Kirsten

            Have you noticed that people in a state of dispair always mention they need to get a job or similar. Isnt this an odd thing to hear when said to self employed people. I woyld never think “I need to get a job”, I woukd think “how can I provide myself with an income, what can I do starting right now”. Must be a completely different headsoace of thinking, no wonder there is so much poverty and unemployment if everyone is lookingfor someone else to employ them. It perplexes me how the concept of needing an income has become about finding a job. Peoole in 3rd world countries, and in the past until the indusrial age would die with that thinking, and probably did, whilst waiting for the pro active self employed people to offer them a job. Go figure!
            Sorry about the typos, low tablet charge and it wont go back. Grrr.
            Xx

          • mewabe

            I agree! Up until the industrial “revolution”. having a job was considered below human dignity. People then were self-reliant and either provided for their own needs (growing food etc) or were into crafts and other small industries (woodworker, etc), mostly self employed.
            Passivity and despair are two bed fellows, that are rooted in a feeling of powerlessness. Believe it or not this feeling of powerlessness can originate from a difficult birth. But of course society also encourages powerlessness, because powerless people are easy to control and manipulate, and exploit.

            I think that I worked a total of 3 years at a job in my life, suffering every minute of it…the rest of the time I have been self employed. So were my parents.

            Looking for a solution “out there” is the ultimate illusion…the solution, to everything, is always within, and so is real power.

          • A true friend

            Nobody cant stand me. I cant get myself understood. I lost most my friends.
            Im not bright enough to make things happen. When i try to make new connection people dont bother. Is it real self inflicting anger if i want to stop having the same experience. I have tried being diffrent. I have been diffrent. I have tried things 1000 times. In diffrent combination. Ive started to feel that im a alien in this world and that i dont belong here and that i dont even want too.

          • mewabe

            A therapist would ask you: what do you REALLY want from people? What is it that you feel you do not have, that you need? Love, understanding, acceptance? Have you EVER had this at any time in your life, from anyone, and when was the last time you felt really safe with another person?

          • A true friend

            I appreciate that you are trying to help but ive accepted by situation. If today i went to bed and I would never wake up id be ok with it. Sure i cant fix things from the past but im ok with iit at some level. Ive learned to accept it.

          • mewabe

            Okay, good luck!

          • A true friend

            Im not smart enough. If I had been i wouldnt be here would I. I would have made better choices that wouldnt have lead me here. Nothing can be change unless a IQ growth formula crashes next to my house from a alien spaceship.

          • mewabe

            You do not need an IQ to feel and express your feelings. A toddler can do it, and heals quickly by expressing his or her pain/anger rather than suppressing them and turning them inward, which is what you are doing.

            Death will not liberate you. Wherever you are, so are your issues. There is not a place or dimension in the entire universe where you can hide from yourself. Face your feelings, be honest with yourself, and don’t play head games, such as indulging in guilt or other self destructive thoughts. Stop thinking so much and FEEL!

            Or not…your choice.

          • A true friend

            You havent meet my 8 years old self. He couldnt tell the girls he liked how he felt. Oh yeah i took 10 more years to get then out.

          • mewabe

            So might the question be: what is your fear? Don’t answer, just feel. Feel where you fears come from. Remember your childhood if this helps…your relationship with your parents, siblings, at school? You got to do the work…unless you want to spin your wheels forever.

          • A true friend

            Fear of rejection. But im already past that. Been there dome that

          • mewabe

            So then you need no help whatsoever…except to change into stone. Right?

          • Kirsten

            That reminds me of a joyful incident this year. I am 45 but from the ages of 8 til maybe 12 I had a secret crush on a cute boy at school, Andrew whom was different to other boys as he would ask the girls questions sometimes and never teased us. We went to different colleges, life goes on, but I started having dreams where the adult version of him would appear as the hero, more like a close friend than anything else. Anyway he had registered with an old school friends website, so I dropped him a quick “Hi, Im Kirsten from primary school, tall skinny kid that was friends with…..”, not thinking any boys would remember girls going back that far, and I was friends with the really pretty girls anyway…His fast reply astounded me, of course he remembered me, he had a crush, and knew all our surnames, where we lived etc, I had no idea boys that young even thought, let alone observed. He emailed some old school photos and new ones of his beautiful family in Greece, they live in Switzerland now. What freaked me was he said “I remember the last time I saw you, it wasat the library and I said hi, you went bright red and walked away and for many years I wondered what Id done wrong to pee you off, Id thought we were friends”. My only answer was “I was a 12yr old girl, you were THE cute boy, you looked at me and spoke, thats all you ever did wrong, boys shouldnt talk to girls at that age”. But sweetly he said, “good lesson on how we should never reflect if someone is the one that got away, thats dangerous turf”. Yip, all so sweet that we never knew the other had a crush until years later, and that was it.Joy for me that my old crush had liked me and he could stop wondering what he did wrong, BUT the whole exercise was about resolving the dream thing. He cropped up cos he was the first “nice” boy I remembered, and I now know why…he was the eldest of 3 brothers with no sisters. He treated girls as he saw us, not as things to annoy like their sisters. Complete eye opener BUT I can save you decades of time now I understand it. Look at the girl, find what you see in her as an 8 year old that differentiates hervfrom other girls, and know that is the quality you need in females for successful relationships. Took me years to learn, and Andrew agreed with me, for I was nice to boys since I didnt have brothers so never saw boys as pests, just cute boys to watch.
            Hope this helps, will certainly save you time if you try it.
            Take care,
            K

          • Kirsten

            You asked, follow it through. I was keeping it generic and neutral. Guess thats why Im Dr Bobstein, and you are mere Mewbobby! Guys dont ask for help unless they are screaming for it, Neale wont exactly help. Good training for ya, have a man chat.
            Xx

          • Kirsten

            2016 here, wahoo!
            Im being blocked/censored too much.
            Sorry you feel the way you do, referring to the removed comments. I dont allow that in my face to face life, people either enhance or improve it, or gone burger real quick. Sux that its happened to you time after time…no more, ok??!!! Orders!!
            I think you are right, for once (my NY resolution can be no more nice to Mewbobsteinski), its reaggrevated old scars of rejection and loneliness, from childhood. The words lying out of fear, and being obnoxious are my clues. Il promote you to a doctor.
            Happy 2016,
            OO ….thats a NY random acquaintance hug

          • mewabe

            I am always right, unless I am left..wondering whether I am wrong, or wrung.
            Enough dumb word plays. No more nice? I don’t want nice…I only want honest. Nice means nothing. Honest means everything, always.
            Thanks for the PHD , I needed one. To hang in the outhouse (which I don’t have, but I will build one just for that PHD).
            I won’t get anywhere with A True Friend, I don’t know what he is doing, but it is very murky. It looks like paying games.

            I don’t even know what I am doing here…I got people to do, things to go, places to see…and a hell of a lot of work to finish.

            Right back to you (hug)!
            Happy 6102! (dyslexia strikes again).

          • Kirsten

            ARe you sure the lexiadys isnt dementia or male menopause. One guarantee, youll always get honest…damn that might mean nice.
            Glad youll treasure the PHD, and yup toilet doors are the best place for certificates, medals and the like. Probably even good toilet paper…not the medals.
            Yes you are right about the whole childhood thing, took me a while to work it out since I had a great childhood, so Ive had to study up and observe others, not so discreetly I must add. Unsure about the birth thing, my daughter had a hoffific birth, well from my perspective anyway, I hope you are wrong, as she was born with an elephant man face and ended up with a rare auto immune disorder that I can only put down to a birth problem. Anyway after years of therapy shes been in remission for 15 years, and didnt end up in a wheelchair like most kids with it do. Fingers crossed, you better be wrong! Knew I should have had the drugs so she could have been born stoned like her brothers. Maybe a good case for pethidine in childbirth??
            Raining alpacas and coyotes here, dammit.
            Xx

          • mewabe

            As long as it is not raining whales, you will be okay. It’s freezing here, but sunny. There has been no mass shooting in 2 weeks, so Americans are getting really bored. The police however keeps gunning people down including children, so that makes up for it. And Russia and Turkey have gotten into a peeing contest, that should keep everyone entertained for a bit, with perhaps some juicy prospects of an upcoming WW3. I am selling front row tickets on ebay.

            Honest with a touch of nice is good, once in a blue moon…

            It’s not dementia or man on pause, but I am working way too much, trying to pay off a whole mortgage in 4 years while renovating the house and after having paid off all debt. I am on a mission but that’s ridiculous. Am I mad? Don’t answer that.
            That’s why I spend so much time here…I can write comments and work and chew gum at the same time, at least in theory.

            Keep a llama handy for wool for a winter sweater.

          • Kirsten

            What you THINK you did wrong.

          • A true friend

            That i tried talking with people. I really dont know how to say things and people say that im obnoxious. I also made a mistake by telling certain people how i feel about them or atleast i attempted to tell them. I got upset when someone started laughing at me and run when we meet by coicidence. i lied that i didnt care about them when i actually did. I lied out of fear.I wanted to gave a even numbers of flowers and that person hates me now. All my former friends stoped talking to me. I dont even know why! Thats why i am better of alone. I cant hurt nobody and nobody cant hurt me.

          • Kirsten

            Hi,
            I have been trying to help but all my posts are being blocked and not getting in here. Grrr. If I leave it at this it will get up. Ive typed 3 that have all been erased, sorry. My fault, I am not a cwg’er so Im screened and blocked a lot.
            Chin up, its a new cycle, start afresh with your head proudly in the air.
            Xx

          • A true friend

            In the sane mary go round forever and ever til doom.

          • Kirsten

            Life Is a straight road from birth to death. How we go depends on whether we head where we are going with our head held high and plough through the swamps, the storms, the negativity, the disasters etc to get to the end or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow of life, or whether we waste time at every obstacle, dwell on the past, go off the beaten track, or as you put it, get on a merry go round and never get off. We all have the same path and choices, but some, like me, see problems as just a small rock to smash and get rid of so we can carry on. Dont stop and stare at the problems, they will grow right before your eyes until they are too big for you to get away from.y You cant fix what you cant fix, say fork it, step past, and keep going and stay away from merry go rounds, anything bad for you, things that are too hard or make you feel less intelligent than others and things that waste time, including people. But yip, you need to get a job, life doesnt help those who dont help themselves or try at least. Focus on YOU, not others for now.
            Xx

          • Kirsten

            Be gentle Mewbob, its serious, remember not everyone understands stuff.
            Xx

          • mewabe

            I just didn’t feel like beating around the bush. At times the whole bush needs uprooting…to get to the roots. Somehow I don’t think we will get there. It’s not my job anyway, and I got sucked in once more. Will I ever learn? The sound you are hearing is my head banging against the wall. Sounds nice and hollow…
            Happy New Year again Dr Bobsten!!!

          • Stephen mills

            Hi Mewabe have you heard of John Trudell .He died a few weeks ago ,I’am only sorry I did not know anything about him but now I do and thanks to an article I read at Tikkun online magazine .The FBI had 17 thousand pages on this guy and probably had his family killed in a fire at there home .They claimed he was too eloquent so a threat to the system .

            He was a marvelous human being and being Native American shares the same timeless wisdom as yourself .Just though you would know who he was ?

            The world is infinitely more wonderfull with his insights and messages .

            Go with the wind my friend carry his messages far and wide.

          • mewabe

            Hi Stephen, yes I knew about John but did not know he died…my friend interviewed him on a local radio station a couple of years ago and I played his songs for a Native American audience on the same radio program many times.
            My favorites are “Cry your tears”, “Look at us” and “See the woman”.
            There is a very good documentary about him. He never really recovered from the murder of his family.
            With him and Russell Means (A Lakota activist) gone, there is a gap left in Native activism. But check out “Idle no more” from Canada, and The Thirteen Indigenous Grandmothers.
            I am glad you found out about him.
            He was in the movie Thunderheart, which is classified as fiction but is based on a mixture of totally true events. I recommend it…it will open your eyes to the American government’s policies towards Native people.

          • Stephen mills

            I will check out all off the above I have listened to Russell Means talk ,very sorry now they have passed .For some reason I am drawn and have an affinity of your culture and seek knowledge and understanding of all the wromgs perpetuated by the Europeans .I read books by Howard Zinn ,Dee Brown and others I immerse myself in trying to understand why we are living such a mindless existence and culture of dominance and destruction .We do not teach or honour our Mother Earth and serve her needs first .So miss guided are we lost in Technology and the myth of progress .

            Thank you for your deep insights and wisdom .

            Pax

          • mewabe

            Thank you Stephen…
            Some Native people are still connected to the earth and the natural creation. But wisdom doesn’t come from man, man comes from wisdom…

            The natural creation exists everywhere, within us and all around us. Try to spend time in nature alone, far from people and cities or man made structures, and let the earth speak to you. Don’t seek anything, take your time, let it come to you. We all have that ability, and that original connection.

            The earth is spiritually alive, as is all life.

            As you know it is the illusion of separation that causes us to destroy everything around us, because separation breeds fear, and fear generates a need to dominate and control by any means, and to be out of sync with the natural order.

            Civilization is a mind disease. It is a temporary disconnection, from ourselves, from nature, from the Creator. It will not last in its present state because nothing that opposes nature can last forever…nature cannot be overcome.

            Take care friend

  • Awareness

    Happy LIFE Neale Donald Walsch 🙂 Happy LIFE to ALL 🙂

    Bless ALL 🙂

    • Patrick Gannon

      What came of that incident wherein Neale accused your Cosmic Awareness dude of plagiarizing his content – when it turned out that was not the case at all? You disappeared for quite a while after that. Apologies all the way around?

      • Awareness

        “incident”?? There was no “incident” 🙂 You are making things up 🙂 Let me remind you of what Neale Donald Walsch said and I quote below:

        “Every single word of this appeared in Conversations with God 20 years ago, virtually word for word. So I am glad to see that Darryl and what he experiences as his source agrees, verbatim, with these CWG messages — which, in turn, are nothing more than re-statements of ancient wisdom brought to humanity through the ages by all the Wisdom to which our souls have always had, and now have, access. It is as CWG tells us: “Truth is truth, no matter what the Source.” I am sure that Bashar agrees with this as well.” – Neale Donald Walsch 🙂

        Neale mentioned “Darryl” and not Cosmic Awareness (GREAT SPIRIT! GREAT AWARENESS!) 🙂

        You have even forgotten what was said and to whom 🙂 Very strange 🙂

        Bless ALL 🙂

        • Patrick Gannon

          Ah, you’re right, it was a different person, but that doesn’t change the facts. The fact is that those words that Neale said appeared in CwG 20 years ago DID NOT APPEAR there. He was wrong. I searched for them, and they aren’t there. Neale basically accused Darryl of plagiarism, but he was wrong. Neale did not write those words. I figured by now, maybe Neale had apologized to Darryl directly or through you for his error.

          • Awareness

            Note that Neale Donald Walsch also says that the words in “Conversations with God” (including Darryl’s channelled words) are:

            “nothing more than re-statements of ancient wisdom brought to humanity through the ages by all the Wisdom to which our souls have always had, and now have, access.” 🙂

            I see no reason for any “apology” 🙂 If you are not clear about what Neale means then I suggest you clarify directly with him 🙂 Personally, I have no “issues” 🙂

            Bless ALL 🙂

          • Patrick Gannon

            I didn’t say it was your “issue” other than you were the one who cut/pasted the information that Neale claimed to have written – but didn’t. I still say Neale owes your buddy Darryl an apology for (indirectly) accusing him of plagiarism. You went away for some period of time after that post, so I thought your absence might be linked to the “incident.” I was just curious.

  • skywalker life

    Why Neale, are you sad? it’sa new day, okay? did you think I didn’t hear myne call my name? oh so surely never did you ever ever was that ours. That’s mo his line, not myne in any manor shape or form. Do u think another line like last night is approapriate? Never will u listen to my call for forming up right. Tat tat tat a rata touille that’s o so surely not myne. That was brought to fruition by my grand great grand mother whodivorced hurl that out the door rapidtime,okay? Let this be yuor last phew and far baeteween whew let it be me who announces hurly not myne. He tried tha on great grandmother to prepare ARC for this life cycle or is it popsycle? WE get it, but do uy realize all moms are in on this call, too? Let this be the last call on my rukidding me? What?! that is mo’s line, not myne in any way shape or form. Sadham and gommorah?! now, here this. Never ever ever did we see that line again in this ccle that wasyour blog not myne. Are you messing wiht my facebook wall, too? Dear god. Dear god. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it now whew

  • Patrick Gannon

    I question whether we live life as fully as we might if we understood that this is all we get. I don’t know that this is the case, but if it was, would we take better care of ourselves, each other and our planet because it’s all we have?

    Neale and other religionists sell us hope in gods and an afterlife, so if we don’t get it right, we can have a second chance. What if there are no second chances? What if this is all we get? Would we act the same? Better? Worse? What do you think?

    • Francisco Morfi

      I think it’s up to you. You decide. And I think that we have a chance of believing that, but in your case you need to get off your high horse pretending to be the voice that is the wake up call to get people to abandon their beliefs because they’re supposedly caught up like in some dream state.
      Patrick you have some serious issues I feel you need to address. I suģgest you go to some Psychologist or Psychiatrist and explore what traumas have led you to hold such resentments towards Neale and people of faith. Apparently you have suffered some experience or experiences that have turned into delusionary functioning that don’t allow you to expand your mind beyond your obssesive thoughts of grandeur. You question people’s beliefs, but you really don’t expect or think there are any answers that would satisfy you because you have a mind set that doesn’t allow it. So my suggestion to you is that if all these postings bother you so much why torture yourself by reading them.
      I understand you feel you have a mission to accomplish as you’ve stated, to avoid people from getting misguided or to avoid people from damaging their brain, though I don’t know in the name of what or who. I’m glad you feel so strongly about something, just can’t understand the obsession, only because precisely that’s what you criticize of others who think differently than you. But who makes sense in this world anyway, right Patrick?
      Happy New Year!

      • Patrick Gannon

        Thanks for the free medical advice, Francisco. You are too kind.
        “If we weren’t all crazy, we’d all go insane.” Jimmy Buffet.

        I’m not sure I understand your response though. I’ll ask again: Would you live your life differently if you knew this was all you had?

        If this life was all we got, we would have to give our own lives meaning, wouldn’t we – instead of expecting that meaning to come from outside ourselves, as it seems to me, most people do today. Neale gives meaning to your life, I assume – but if that meaning or belief was proven false (it’s certainly not proven true!), would you be able to give your own life meaning, or does meaning for your life have to come from someone else? Are some people simply unable to give their own lives meaning, and must therefore incorporate the beliefs of others in order to function? I don’t know the answer to this question, but I’m interested in what you think, if you are able to formulate a response that doesn’t include more unnecessary medical advice.

        • Francisco Morfi

          Ok. No more suggestions to you or comments on your postings. You simply respond as I have mentioned before to what you feel most comfortable with. Enjoy your life. I feel perfectly comfortable in mine.
          The meaning that life holds for me is not based on what Neale has written, but with what I have experienced, that happens to coincide markedly with Neale’s writings. Because I sincronize with that, I enjoy reading his books.

          • Patrick Gannon

            OK, thanks for that. I guess you’re not going to respond, but I’ll ask again anyway since you haven’t answered – do you think you would live your life any differently if you learned beyond any reasonable doubt that this life is all you get? Would you still be able to give your life meaning?

          • Francisco Morfi

            I decided I did want to response. Thanks for the invite. I’ll answer with another question for starters. How is what you’re asking different from moving around life with beliefs. Yours is a hypothetical question because there’s no way I could assert that this life is all there is simply because as is the case with beliefs, that you don’t buy into, I could not offer any empirical proof to that effect. So if you are consistent in your stance regarding beliefs, than you would have to proceed accordingly: to not fool the brain with something you can’t prove. If on the other hand you insist these questions be answered than in a sense you’re contradicting yourself . Does this make sense to you?

          • Patrick Gannon

            I read this a couple times, and I’m not sure what you’re driving at, but I’ll take a stab at it. I think you may be asking, since I ask, what if there is no god/afterlife – aren’t I asserting that such is the case? The answer is NO. I am not asserting that there is no god/afterlife, I am asserting that there is no evidence for gods/afterlife, and in lacking such evidence, we should simply avoid beliefs and keep open, skeptical minds.

            My hypothetical question is – what if it turns out that we prove in the decade(s) to come that there is no god/afterlife because consciousness is snuffed out when the brain dies? If science was able to confirm that, how would we live our lives? What, if anything, would change? Since there would be no “god” to give our lives purpose, could we give our own lives purpose – beyond the evolutionary drive to survive and pass along our genome.

            We spend countless hours pondering whether gods/afterlife exist, so I don’t see the harm in pondering the possibility that they don’t. So, back to the hypothetical question – if it turns out that this is all we get, would you live your life any differently than you do now?

          • Francisco Morfi

            Patrick, why can you ponder in that possibility that you don’t know, (I’m referring to your invitation to answer if I would live my life differently if God/afterlife doesn’t exist) but assert that pondering in the possibility of something we believe in does harm to your brain because there’s no proof. To me it’s a double standard.
            You would have us abandon belief on the grounds that we have no proof of what we believe in, and it’s therefore harmful to the brain because supposedly we’re lying to it. You’ll probably answer again saying: “I don’t think I understand what you mean”.
            I have a few questions for you: Did you believe in Santa Claus, in the tooth fairy, in the easter bunny, in the three Kings? What happened once you found out “the truth”, if you did believe in any of these or something similar. Let me know so I can follow up on something I want to share with you on that topic.

          • Patrick Gannon

            I didn’t say, “pondering in the possibility of something we believe in does harm to your brain because there’s no proof.” The “pondering” is not a problem – that’s the solution. Using our brains to think with instead of believe with is the solution, in my view. The potential problem is the internal conflict created by telling brains something the brain knows it does not know. Pondering is not the problem; creating the conflict is the problem – or may be; that’s my hypothesis. In “pondering,” perhaps we’ll uncover the internal conflict we may be afflicting ourselves with by telling our brains we believe something when the brain knows that it does not know this belief to be a fact, generally because insufficient or zero evidence exists for it.

            When I ask people to ponder the possibility that their beliefs might be wrong and to consider the possibilities if they are, that’s for a different reason. I’m curious about whether people would live their life different if it turned out that the way it is, is different from what they believed. I’m just curious what people think. Would the world be better, worse or the same, and why? We may have to prepare for this eventuality. Personally I think there’s a good chance that science will determine with exceptional confidence that consciousness emerges from the brain, and goes away when the brain does; i.e. no soul. If that happened, what would it do to our society?

            To your question – as a child I believed in all that stuff except the “three Kings.” I don’t know what that is. I think what happened after I discovered the truth was that I learned that I could not fully trust my parents, teachers or the rest of society that participated in this little muse and that I should exercise skepticism when told things that have no evidence. I don’t remember being upset because I think I was figuring it out on my own anyway – but that was so many decades ago, that I can’t possibly remember with any detail.

            Whether believing these magical things is good or bad for religion is hard to say. Some say that, like me, one develops skepticism after being misled; others suggest that the child is primed for indoctrination and belief. I saw a video recently about the brain and belief, and if the author was right, he suggests that about 25% of people have slight differences in the brain as compared with believers. The video proposed that believing brains can become skeptical and open minded but it’s a harder job for them. This makes me think that 25% of us will adapt with no problem if it turns out that this is all there is, with little difficulty, but that the bulk of the population might have more difficulty adapting to that new reality. Of course like other scientific discoveries such as evolution, many people will simply go into denial, but as the decades go by, truth will eventually prevail.

    • Stephen mills

      Hi Patrick I agree with the understanding of putting our current beliefs under scrutiny , indeed that was what Neale has done .If something believed to be real is creating nightmare scenarios for millenia are they then not dysfunctional on getting to where we say we want to go ? Do we know where we are going ? In humanity’s case we all really all want the same thing ,peace ,love, a liveable thriving panet for the future ,health ,education a world free of unnecessary suffering poverty and greed.
      The current belief’s of humanity are creating the opposite effect and are not working or producing outcomes that are in fact dysfunctional .
      Neales writings offer us different choices and they have even stated that if they are just some made up writings from his imagination what better way do we have of living life on this blue green planet we call home .
      Me thinks from History when the messages are this good we kill the messengers .
      Can we not repeat our History please and wake each other from our collective amnesia !

      May the force be with you .

      • Patrick Gannon

        My issue with Neale is that he wants to simply replace old beliefs with new ones that have just as much evidence for them as the old ones – NONE. Why do we need beliefs? You ask, what if they are just made up beliefs out of his imagination? I have to ask – does truth matter? Do we really solve something by replacing one belief with another, just because it feels better or sounds better? Have we really addressed the core issue? Isn’t the core issue that we do not know, and we all know that – because if we did, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

        Please convince me that lying to ourselves is good, and that truth doesn’t matter.
        Or, we can face the truth. We don’t know. What if this is all there is? Would you live your life differently if you knew that to be true?

        • Stephen mills

          Most People live there life according to what they see around them or what they have been told about the way life is ! Cultural stories based on beliefs .
          A new cultural story would go a long way on bringing the message of our oneness into the sphere of our on the gound reality .At the moment we have a reality dysfunction based upon beliefs that are fallacies ,dangerous for human evolution and are just plain inaccuracies.
          So beliefs must play a part in transitioning us in our evolutionary path then we can Trancend those that do not work to give us the experiences we desire .

          • Patrick Gannon

            So the experiences we desire – the things that make us feel good – that is what matters, and not reality, not truth? We should seek out that which gives us the experience we want, regardless of whether it is true?

            That’s certainly one approach, but what if my hypothesis is correct? What if believing things that we can’t know one way or the other due to lack of objective, empirical evidence makes us mentally ill? I was reading about cognitive dissonance – this is a condition in which an individual holds contradictory beliefs, or holds beliefs that are debunked by real evidence. Researchers can see that this condition provides signals in the brain – the same area of the brain that lights up for anger. Maybe it’s not the wrong beliefs, but simply beliefs that contradict what we know which are responsible for the dysfunction you mention.

            I find it interesting that the stronger the beliefs, the more angry people seem to get when their beliefs are questioned, and can’t help but wonder if this is going on at some constant low-grade level in the brains of believers of anything that their brain knows they have no evidence for.

            I understand you agree with Neale that we need to change beliefs. I don’t think that’s the solution. I think we need to seek out not that which gives us the experiences we want (drugs can do that!) but that which is actually true. Anyway, I appreciate your comments on the topic.

    • Kirsten

      Read my post above, I saved you the time doing it.
      Take care and heres a stranger NY Eve hug, hope you have a better one planned!
      OOOOO

      • Patrick Gannon

        Thanks for the New Year’s hug. Back atcha. I wish my brain stored words like a dictionary. If so, it loses pages all the time and I have to hunt and scrape to find the word I’m looking for. Sometimes I write in a “filler” word when I can’t come up with what I want, and then when my attention is redirected, the word I want will show up. Weird how the brain manages that. Of course some times the word shows up long after I went looking for it.

        The thing is, I’m pretty sure I understand why Neale uses the words he does, and why he capitalizes some words in order to give them more meaning or a different meaning than what they actually possess. He’s doing it intentionally and there’s a method to his madness. It’s a writing style that probably takes a lot of skill and practice. Words, carefully chosen, can suck you in, and like an insurance or used car salesman, get your head nodding ‘yes, yes, yes’ as you are unwittingly reeled in. Peer pressure, confirmation bias, projection – Neale uses all these tools to get people to believe what he’s saying, and he’s so good at it, that I can’t help but wonder how much he really believes his own BS.

        • Kirsten

          My real reply is being screened so wont get through. Yup agree with all you said, and its all deliberate. Ill have to leave it at that although the other reply may be ‘approved’.
          Xx

        • Francisco Morfi

          I’m sorry for butting in Patrick, but I can’t help but think that you have a bone to pick with Neale. Since that posting of yours I read about being set aside when you were involved with his writings, it’s all been bim bam, bim bam with him. It’s hard for me to see what your true intentions are. Sorry.

          • Kirsten

            Everyone reads things differently and most brains work differently, dependant on how we programmed them as children. I read similar to Patrick, where words are literal so any odd word usage jumps out. Many people who were avid readers in childhood read like this. I read scripture with God in the role as God of Law, and can clearly see the many different stories on many different topics, with each subject in Genesis then following right through. Christians read it all completely differently.
            It is obvious that Patrick probably had Biblical, then CwG faith, and now doesnt, as he can clearly spot all the lies and BS, therefore can only trust what he knows to be proven, rather than what he reads. BS jumps out like a sore thumb.
            He has stated he is genuine in trying to understand, and its obvious he would like some form of faith IF proven scientifically or to him personally. Anyone would be peed off if they were clearly deceived, had believed lies and given that liar a lot of their hard earned cash in the form of buying books. And every action has a reaction, its peoples right to react how they choose.
            I do hope he finds faith, and he is on the right track in seeing CwG for what it is!!
            K

          • Francisco Morfi

            I hear you Kirsten. But faith isn’t something that can be proven scientifically. Faith is believing without seeing. If something is proven it falls in the realm of science. I understand that Patrick may have felt deceived, but if he felt Neale was deceiving, why abandon faith and belief completely. My faith or beliefs don’t rest on one person. I have a true belief in God and I believe there are a lot of messengers out there. You choose from the menu what best identifies with your life’s purpose and philosophy of life. My greatest desire is to be a loving and caring person. I’m a contradiction in my own right many times towards that goal, but I keep trodding on. I do a lot of things I regret and say or write things I realize don’t reflect my grandest vision of who I choose to become. On some of my posts I’ve done it. I’ve posted some expressions I feel do not reflect my true self, as has been the case with Patrick. On occasions I feel I have exceeded myself in my criticisms. I’ll come around, hahaha.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Psychoanalyzed by amateurs. Aren’t I the fortunate one!

            You are correct that faith isn’t something that can be proven scientifically, because once we do that, you don’t need the faith. Having faith that the earth was the center of the universe became needless once science figured out how things really work. Since science has figured out a tremendous, stupendous, amazing amount in only the last 200 years, it is premature to think that it’s done and that it will not help with the remaining questions like consciousness, the beginning of life and the origins of the universe. Faith has offered nothing new, ever. Neale’s feel-good beliefs have no more evidence for them than the god of fire and brimstone. Just because they make us feel good, doesn’t mean they are good for us. Is lying to ourselves ever good for us?

            When you ask, why I would abandon faith and belief entirely, I have to ask; what is it that you would have me believe? How am I to choose between Quran God, Bible God, New Age God, Hindu gods, and all the other 3000 lesser gods that have people who believe in them, when there isn’t a shred of evidence for ANY of them? What good does it do me to select one particular belief and then tell my brain, which knows that it has no evidence for ANY of these beliefs, that it should act as though it does believe something – in other words, why should I lie to myself? Just because everyone else does, I should too? I can hear my mom, “So if everyone else jumps off a cliff, will you jump too?”

            There are some semantics at play. I wish the words “know” and “believe” were more independently defined, such that to “know” something means to think it true beyond reasonable doubt. There are ranges of beliefs. I can say I think the sun will rise tomorrow with a 99.999999999…..% probability; in other words I “know” it; or I can say ‘I believe the sun will rise tomorrow,’ and since our language doesn’t give us a good way to clearly differentiate, both sentences can mean the same thing. So yes, I have faith and belief that the sun will rise tomorrow, but I prefer to put it in terms of thinking that the sun will rise, with a very high probability that it will be so, based on evidence.

            I get the feeling that the concern is not so much that Pat lacks beliefs, as it is that Pat questions the beliefs of others and asks if such beliefs are healthy, given that the human brain knows that it lacks any real knowledge of gods, afterlives, etc.

            My issue with Neale is that he speaks so frequently in absolutes, as God’s messenger with the spectre of God whispering into his ear – and yet when pressed, he will admit that he doesn’t know any more than any of the rest of us. The world has had thousands of years worth of “messengers” telling us about gods and not a one of them has ever produced a shred of real evidence that said gods existed, and not a one of them has produced a religion that has solved any of mankind’s problems. Many of those religions have instead, contributed to the world’s problems.

            I’d like to understand why Neale’s god deserves any more credibility than any of the others. His god is based on something that is under scientific scrutiny right now – consciousness – and the viability of his god will likely be settled by science in due course. I’m more interested in how people will react if it becomes clear that this world we live in right now is all we get – because I think this is the likely outcome, based on accumulating evidence.

            In his weekly newsletter this past weekend, Neale answered questions from what seemed to me to be a profoundly disturbed person who claims to have found Neale’s god. He answered the questions, never once suggesting the truth – that he really doesn’t know – and in fact, he really doesn’t know. None of us do. Telling strangers who have psychological issues that he knows the answers to their questions about the afterlife – well that gave me real heartburn. He should have referred the questioner to a psychologist.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Kirsten, I’ll just comment on this one line: “its obvious he would like some form of faith IF proven scientifically or to him personally.”

            Nope, not really. If proven scientifically, there is no need for faith. If not proven scientifically, then the best one can do is express open minded skepticism.

            I don’t regret buying Neale’s books – well maybe a couple of them. After a while he says the same thing over and over again using different words. When I challenged him on this some time ago, he pointed to the value of repetition. Indeed: once synapses fire, the brain is wired. Neale is indoctrinating people just like any Christian church. His goal is to sell more books and programs, since he doesn’t have pews and coffers to fill; but it’s still just another religion (Christianity Lite), with a slightly different methodology.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Francisco, that was years ago, and at that time I accepted our group being disbanded and got on with continuing with my role as a CwG disciple. I had a lot of debates with atheists over Neale’s god. They liked that I didn’t buy into Bible God, but they tried to convince me that the same evidence existed for Neale’s God and it took a few years for that to sink in. In the meantime, I posted here many times in support of the CwG beliefs. If I had just stopped reading; if I had just stopped questioning my beliefs; then I’d still be there – but the critical thinking you accused me of lacking, led to new conclusions based on what I learned. I evolved, and I hope I never stop doing so.

            It’s really only been the last 6 months or so that I began to ponder whether Neale was helping our hurting humanity by insisting that we need to change our beliefs. A column he wrote much earlier in the year sparked the discussion that led to where I am today. My intention is to question Neale’s assertion that we need to change our beliefs. I assert that this is not in our best interests – that what we really need to do is question the need for any beliefs at all, when those beliefs contradict what we really know – and what we really know is that we are ignorant of any gods or afterlife. I propose that we spend some time considering this and thinking about how we would (will probably need to) react to this when/if it is proven that consciousness does not survive the death of the brain. I’m surprised that my “true intentions” are so foggy for you. I’ve repeated the same thing over and over again, always making the same point. I’m not sure what other intentions you think I might be hiding.

  • Kirsten

    Interesting Neale, I prefer to see in the New Year and sing the song in a very different way. This is where even Patrick will be agreeable, our own completely different brain memories will give different feelings and perspectives.
    To me seeing in the New Year is a time to meet new people, with only one or two known friends. Being southern hemisphere, its Summer, so camping grounds of small groups become one big drunken family for a few days, many tourists travelling alone included. My favourite ‘new people, new year’ is at our local shopping centre English Pub, with people spilling out everywhere in the courtyards,, where hundreds of strangers have become 50 new people you have spoken with, caught up with people from the past and studied every person in the room. We have it sussed, kiwi gal style. At 11pm you choose a stranger who looks huggable by your own standards, old, young, hot, cute, lonely…it doesnt matter. You are pre choosing your first NY hug, peck (or snog). At 1157pm, its ‘places everyone’, we find our person and discreetly zoom in by them so that pre chosen stranger is our midnight person, its a subtle hi, or cheers, then when the song kicks in, there is nothing more fun than a dance with a stranger, high heels standing on his feet, cider spilling down yours and his/her back, then a brief introduction, and regrouping back with your friends for a NY hug!
    Its a happy song to me, and always bring a smile if happy memories to my face!
    None of my new old acquaintance be forgot, they are all strangers who became a friend for a night, just like every person we meet every day of the year, every customer and every person we exchange smiles with, every day, of every year for a lifetime! The song speaks of acquaintances, not friends or family.
    Just for Patrick…..I think Neale has his words mixed up yet again…acquaintance (a person whom one knows slightly, slight knowledge of a person, on terms of familiarity but not closeness or imtimacy).
    No need for tears Neale, its a song about people who pass through the night, not loved ones although your memory association is.
    Have a Happy New Year everyone, and enjoy a NY hug, peck or snog with a stranger, its more fun!!
    Xx

    • Francisco Morfi

      I think there are many ways to receive a New Year. What ever works for you is finesspecially when it hrings out the best in you to share with others. What Neale suggests seems to work for uim and your way works for you. Both desire the same result: joy and happiness in the company of others.
      Happy New Year 2016 to all.

  • Francisco Morfi

    Kirsten, I become suspect when you want to exclude other religions totally. I think certain beliefs are of concern, especially if they preach violence towards others. I think we do need to get involved in meaningful conversations to try and readjust our direction in our life’s purpose in consensus.