{"id":9505,"date":"2017-10-12T10:32:11","date_gmt":"2017-10-12T14:32:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.theglobalconversation.com\/blog\/?p=9505"},"modified":"2017-10-12T10:55:28","modified_gmt":"2017-10-12T14:55:28","slug":"what-do-you-thinkare-science-and-spiritualitymutually-exclusive","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theglobalconversation.com\/blog\/?p=9505","title":{"rendered":"What do you think?
ARE SCIENCE AND SPIRITUALITY
MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE?"},"content":{"rendered":"

One of our most regular commenters here at The Global Conversation has said about my last post here: “I just read Neale’s post again, and I must again marvel that with little manipulation, it can fit right into a scientific paradigm. There is no talk of souls or afterlives or manipulating matter, reading minds, or the other typical woo nonsense.”<\/p>\n

This gentleman, named Patrick Gannon, then adds:<\/p>\n

“With just a little bit of work, this article can be an analogy for the quantum wave, of quantum fields, of which our universe is comprised. Energy affecting — other energy — those can be quantum fields interacting. Probably wishful thinking on my part, but is this a small step away from the woo?”<\/p>\n

I would like to reflect on that commentary here.<\/p>\n

Let me begin by saying that it should not be surprising that my understanding of God “can fit right into a scientific paradigm” with what Patrick calls “a little manipulation” — and what I would call “a little imagination” and “a little information.”<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve never for a moment thought that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive, or somehow at odds with each other.<\/p>\n

What CWG has done for me is add to my thinking “a little information” that I did not previously have…and the dialogue does not restrict its information to that which humanity already fully understands, but invites me to stretch my imagination to include the possibility that there may be something about God and about Life that humanity do not<\/em> yet fully understand…the understanding of which could change everything.<\/p>\n

I think the only difference between what CWG is telling me about God and what science is telling us about the universe is that CWG (and, more broadly, the New Spirituality) is saying that the process of life has been (and continues to be) consciously created by a force and a source of wisdom, self-awareness, and purposeful intention that I would, in my own vocabulary, describe in one word as love.<\/p>\n

I have come to conclude that the energy I feel as love is the Essential Essence, or the Pure, Undifferentiated Energy that some people (myself included, for shorthand) call God. I believe that this Essential Essence or Pure Energy moves with purpose and intention — the purpose and intention of each element which is capable of consciousness choice…and that the combined or collaborative purpose and intention of The Whole is what we might call God In Action.<\/p>\n

I believe this Pure Energy exists in, as, and through everything — and, furthermore, that it can be affected and manipulated by itself. That is, by facets or particles of itself. I have long (echoing what I was told in CWG) stated that energy affects energy through the processes of energy itself. This is, others may note, quantum physics at its most fundamental level.<\/p>\n

I have been talking for 20 years about the \u201ccontextual field\u201d…and physics has been talking for many years of the \u201cquantum field.\u201d<\/p>\n

CWG told me two decades ago that \u201cthere is no straight line in the universe,\u201d and quantum theory confirms that the basic \u201cshape\u201d of the cosmos is curved.<\/p>\n

CWG told me two decades ago that time, as we understand it, does not exist, and quantum physics makes it clear that there is no separation between what we call Time and Space, and that we are actually living in what a layman (or a spiritual author) might call the Eternal Moment of Now.<\/p>\n

I think, in the end, that it would be ironic if the only real difference between Mr. Gannon and myself, in terms of our larger cosmological understandings, is the terminology we use to describe many of the exact same things. What he describes as \u201cwoo\u201d is what I describe as that which we \u201cdon\u2019t fully understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which would change everything.\u201d<\/p>\n

Mr. Gannon leaves me with the impression that he feels that if something cannot be proven and demonstrated scientifically, it is \u201cwoo,\u201d and not worthy of our consideration.<\/p>\n

I rather like the viewpoint of people such as Albert Einstein, who didn\u2019t dismiss ideas simply because they could not (yet) be proven, but rather, said: \u201cTo sense that behind everything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense…I am a devoutly religious man.\u201d<\/p>\n

I would not describe myself as devoutly religious, but I would say that I am \u201ca deeply spiritual man.\u201d By this I mean to communicate that I believe there is a spiritual basis, presence, identity, and essence behind all of life that cannot yet <\/em>be explained by humanity\u2019s currently limited linear scientific logic or proof-driven model.<\/p>\n

Or, as Shakespeare put it far more eloquently: \u201cThere are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.\u201d<\/p>\n

There are simply not many who will say out loud what has been said in their hearts. People seem to find it much safer to keep their innermost metaphysical understandings or beliefs quietly hidden, following Shakespeare\u2019s admonition, put into the voice of Hamlet: \u201cSwear by my sword. Never to speak of this that you have heard.\u201d<\/p>\n

So what many of us \u201chear\u201d within<\/em> ourselves we keep to<\/em> ourselves.<\/p>\n

I, of course, have not done that. And I feel a quiet inner certainty that many of the major messages of Conversations with God<\/em> will someday soon be revealed to have been not so far off the mark. Yet they are today called heresies by some. In moments when they are, I find comfort in the observation of George Bernard Shaw, who wryly noted: \u201cAll great truths begin as blasphemies.\u201d<\/p>\n

So Mr. Gannon\u2019s scientific method may disavow the existence of the spiritual essence that I call \u201cGod,\u201d but Einstein offered us this: \u201cEveryone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe\u2014a Spirit vastly superior to that of man.\u201d<\/p>\n

Okay. I call that God. Someone else may call it Something Else. But a rose by any other name…<\/p>\n

I have become aware in my life of the existence of what I would call Intentioned Essence and Pliable, Usable, Directable Energy. This is what I call God, and I think that God can be (and, indeed, places Itself at our disposal to be) used to produce consistent and predictable results in many areas of our lives. But we have to believe this to be true for it to manifest as truth in our day-to-day experience. It turns out that believing is seeing, and this is how energy impacts upon itself.<\/p>\n

The Rev. Dr. Norman Vincent Peale called this The Power of Positive Thinking, and it has generated sufficient pre-desired outcomes in my life to leave me convinced of its efficacy and of its reality. Whether my personal experience meets someone else\u2019s \u201cscientific test\u201d of proof beyond doubt or question is irrelevant to me.<\/p>\n

Getting back to Mr. Einstein, I am particularly fond of what he said in a talk at Union Theological Seminary on the relationship between religion and science: \u201cthe situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.\u201d<\/p>\n

I am not nearly as comfortable with the word \u201creligion\u201d as I am with the word \u201cspirituality,\u201d because I experience most \u201creligions\u201d to be collections of doctrines and dogmas that must be accepted whole and without question by a religion\u2019s adherents. Conversations with God<\/em>, on the other hand, says to all its readers: Do not believe a word of this. Simply try it in your own life. If it resonates and works, use it. If it does not, throw it out immediately. In this, and in all matters, be your own authority.<\/p>\n

Mr. Gannon likes to assert that CWG in a religion, but not a religion in the world says that. Nor do any of the contemporary writers and teachers within today\u2019s religions say: \u201cI could be wrong about all of this.\u201d It would be refreshing if they did. It would be refreshing if they simply said, \u201cHere is what we believe. Decide for yourself what is true for you. And know that you will be neither condemned nor rejected by us (and certainly not by God) should you not embrace these beliefs.\u201d<\/p>\n

Many of the messages of Conversations with God <\/em>are difficult for many people to believe. And (to repeat), people should not believe them if they cannot. But just for review — to see whether there are any that you<\/em> can embrace — here is a list of what I call Eleven Unbelievable Beliefs from Conversations with God<\/em>:<\/p>\n

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  1. There is an Essential Essence in the universe, which some people call God<\/li>\n
  2. This essence is Pure, Undifferentiated Energy, which is aware of Itself and which differentiates in variable physical and metaphysical forms.<\/li>\n
  3. The purpose of its differentiations is to provide the Essential Essence with the full and complete experience of Itself.<\/li>\n
  4. You are an Individuation of this Essential Essence, a spiritual entity comprised of three parts called, in human language, Body, Mind, and Soul. There is no separation between you and this Essence that has been called, by some, God. All things are One Thing. There is only One Thing, and all things are part of the One Thing there is, arising and existing in Individuated Expression. You are to God as a wave is to the ocean: In no way equal to <\/em>it, yet in no way other than<\/em> it, and in no way separated from it.<\/em> There is no such thing as a Separate Thing, and no such thing as No Thing. What is called \u201cempty space\u201d is not \u201cempty\u201d at all, but a collection of energy particles and waves, the fluctuations and vibrations of which are too minute to be discernible or noticeable by the human mind, but which can be detected with instruments.<\/li>\n
  5. That which some people call God wants and needs, requires and demands, nothing from you. Eternal punishment does not exist, but eternal life does. The Soul of you always was, is now, and always will be. Its eternal existence does not depend upon adherence to a set of \u201crules\u201d or \u201cregulations,\u201d \u201crequirements\u201d or \u201ccommandments.\u201d What has been called the Kingdom of God is not a meritocracy. It is simply a field of experience, a field of energy expressing, a Contextual Field providing opportunity for the endless experience of Itself by the Essential Essence. This field manifests in what has been called metaphysical and physical form — or what has been labeled, in some of humanity\u2019s belief systems, Heaven and Earth.<\/li>\n
  6. The purpose of Life is to recreate yourself anew in each Golden Moment of Now in the next grandest version of the greatest vision ever you held about Who You Are.<\/li>\n
  7. In most commonly used human terms, your life is not about you. That is, it is not about Local You, but about Universal You. It is about everyone whose life you touch, and the way in which you touch it. It is by this means that you recreate yourself anew in the next grandest version of the greatest vision ever you held about Who You Are, allowing Local You to experience yourself as Universal You.<\/li>\n
  8. There is no such thing as \u201cright\u201d and \u201cwrong,\u201d and every such designation or definition is a human construction, subject to (and evidenced by) fundamental changes across periods of what you call \u201ctime.\u201d<\/li>\n
  9. Time itself does not exist in the way humans have defined it, any more than space exists as humans have defined it, but both exist as a Single Reality that could be called spacetime, producing an Eternal Experience of Always Here\/Always Now.<\/li>\n
  10. Forgiveness is the biggest obstacle to spiritual growth, because every act is an Act of Love, and therefore understandable, if not condoned. Understanding is not condoning. No one does anything inappropriate, given their model of the world.<\/li>\n
  11. 98% of the world\u2019s people are spending 98% of their time on things that don\u2019t matter. That is, most people don\u2019t know what they are doing here, who they really are, or what the purpose of life throughout the universe is. Most people aren\u2019t even sure that life has <\/em>a purpose — which is the biggest and most profoundly negatively impacting misunderstanding of our species.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/blockquote>\n

    Enjoy the discussion.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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