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FROM CWG: HERE ARE 1,000 WORDS
THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WORLD

I’m sure you have observed, as have I, that current events worldwide are generating a great deal of stress among many people today, causing them to search for tools that might be used to come to grips with all that is happening on our planet.

Leaders on the world stage are loudly and belligerently threatening to destroy each other’s country, global warming is whipping up storms to a level we have rarely seen before, earthquakes are producing tragedies right and left, and social and political issues are dividing people more profoundly and disturbingly than ever. Add to this the shifting sands in many peoples’ personal lives, and it is small wonder that millions are yearning for emotional respite.

Whatever one thinks of the theology found in the Conversations with God series of books (the word “theology” is defined, by the way, as “the study of the nature of God and religious belief” — not “the TRUTH about God”), many of the spiritual tools offered in this extended dialogue have been found by not a few people (judging from the communications I receive on my Facebook page, at CWG Connect, in my email, and in person daily) to be beneficial in helping them find some measure of inner peace in this time of seemingly endless turmoil.

I have been asked many times if I could simply and easily summarize what I considered to be the most important messages of the Conversations with God oeuvre, for peoples’ easy reference. In the book What God Said I did just that, opening it with what I called “1,000 Words That Would Change the World.” The book then devotes one chapter to a deep exploration of each of its statements.

I am happy to reproduce that opening presentation below, for whatever value you might find in it:

Here, in 1,000 words, is all that the human race needs to know in order to live the life for which it has yearned and which, despite trying for thousands of years, it has yet to produce. Carry these messages to your world:

We are all One. All things are One Thing. There is only One Thing, and all things are part of the One Thing There Is. This means that you are Divine. You are not your body, you are not your mind, and you are not your soul. You are the unique combination of all three, which comprises the Totality Of You. You are an individuation of Divinity; an expression of God on Earth.

There’s enough. It is not necessary to compete for, much less fight over, your resources. All you have to do is share.

There’s nothing you have to do. There is much you will do, but nothing you are required to do. God wants nothing, needs nothing, demands nothing, commands nothing.

God talks to everyone, all the time. The question is not: To whom does God talk? The question is: Who listens?

There are Three Basic Principles of Life: Functionality, Adaptability, and Sustainability.

There is no such thing as Right and Wrong, there is only What Works and What Does Not Work, given what it is you are trying to do.

In the spiritual sense, there are no victims and no villains in the world, although in the human sense it appears that there surely are. Yet because you are Divine, nothing can happen against your will.

No one does anything inappropriate, given their model of the world.

There is no such place as hell, and eternal damnation does not exist.

Death does not exist. What you call “death” is merely a process of Re-Identification.

There is no such thing as Space and Time, there is only Here and Now.

Love is all there is.

You are the creator of your own reality, using the Three Tools of Creation: Thought, Word, and Action.

Your life has nothing to do with you. It is about everyone whose life you touch, and how you touch it.

The purpose of your life is to recreate yourself anew in the next grandest version of the greatest vision ever you held about Who You Are.

The moment you declare anything, everything unlike it will come into the space. This is The Law of Opposites, producing a Contextual Field within which that which you wish to express may be experienced.

There is no such thing as Absolute Truth. All truth is subjective. Within this framework there are five levels of truth telling: Tell your truth to yourself about yourself; Tell your truth to yourself about another; Tell your truth about yourself to another; Tell your truth about another to another; Tell your truth to everyone about everything.

The human race lives within a precise set of illusions. The Ten Illusions of Humans are: Need Exists, Failure Exists, Disunity Exists, Insufficiency Exists, Requirement Exists, Judgment Exists, Condemnation Exists, Conditionality Exists, Superiority Exists, Ignorance Exists. These illusions are meant to serve humanity, but it must learn how to use them.

The Three Core Concepts of Holistic Living are Honesty, Awareness, and Responsibility. Live according to these precepts and self-anger will disappear from your life.

Life functions within a Be-Do-Have paradigm. Most people have this backward, imagining that first one must “have” things in order to “do” things, thus to “be” what they wish to be. Reversing this process is the fastest way to experience mastery in living.

There are Three Levels of Awareness: Hope, Faith, and Knowing. Spiritual mastery is about living from the third level.

There are Five Fallacies about God that create crisis, violence, killing and war. First, the idea that God needs something. Second, the idea that God can fail to get what He needs. Third, the idea that God has separated you from Him because you have not given Him what He needs. Fourth, the idea that God still needs what He needs so badly that God now requires you, from your separated position, to give it to Him. Fifth, the idea that God will destroy you if you do not meet His requirements.

There are also Five Fallacies About Life that likewise create crisis, violence, killing and war. First, the idea that human beings are separate from each other. Second, the idea that there is not enough of what human beings need to be happy. Third, the idea that in order to get the stuff of which there is not enough, human beings must compete with each other. Fourth, the idea that some human beings are better than other human beings. Fifth, the idea that it is appropriate for human beings to resolve severe differences created by all the other fallacies by killing each other.

You think you are being terrorized by other people, but in truth you are being terrorized by your beliefs. Your experience of yourself and your world will shift dramatically if you adopt, collectively, the Five Steps to Peace:

Permit yourself to acknowledge that some of your old beliefs about God and about Life are no longer working.

Explore the possibility that there is something you do not fully understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which would change everything.

Announce that you are willing for new understandings of God and Life to now be brought forth, understandings that could produce a new way of life on this planet.

Courageously examine these new understandings and, if they align with your personal inner truth and knowing, enlarge your belief system to include them.

Express your life as a demonstration of your highest beliefs, rather than as a denial of them.

Let there be a New Gospel for all the people of Earth: “We are all one. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

The 1,000 words here, embraced and acted on, could change our world in a single generation.

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  • Raphael

    In these difficult times we would do well to remember these words by Nancy Newhall:

    “We the living are now and throughout time responsible for what happens to the earth, to man, to life.”

    Of all the suggestions proposed by Neale, the basic “three core concepts of holistic living” seem to be the most ignored and the most urgently needed today, if we are to survive as a specie.

    Unfortunately, honesty, awareness and responsibility require another ingredient severely lacking in a humanity that uses denial to overcome fear: courage.

    It takes courage to be honest
    It takes courage to be aware
    It takes courage to take responsibility.

    It takes courage to live a worthy life.

    • Spiritual_Annie

      An excellent point, my friend.

      I once received a message in a fortune cookie that read, “Courage is Fear having said its Prayers.” I would now not limit this to prayers, but also add the understanding of one’s own power in our thoughts, words and actions, or simply taking a deep breath.

      Courage is so very important in life as we’re constantly encountering change. It takes courage to see the change, and to then be the change we desire to create despite what we see.

      Love and Blessings Always,
      ~Annie

      • Patrick Gannon

        How about the courage to honestly question one’s most cherished and closely held beliefs? I don’t see a lot of that!

        • Spiritual_Annie

          As you’ve made quite obvious over time, you see only what you choose to see.

          • Craig

            Maybe Patrick does just that every time he asks us or makes the bold statements. We may never know why people do what they do. I understand our most verbalized expressions are normally our inner most fears.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Craig,

            Patrick has stated specifically that he is conducting an experiment in his theory about cognitive dissonance on this site, and we are akin to lab rats. He’s also stated specifically that he enjoys debating, especially as dementia runs in his family, so he likes to keep his mind sharp. If there were no disagreements here, I suspect that he’d find elsewhere to go.

            You do have a point, though. Maybe Patrick’s repetition has less to do with convincing others and more to do with convincing himself, though that’s not what he says. It could be unconscious, I suppose, but there’d be no way to prove it.

            Love and Blessings Always,
            ~Annie

          • Patrick Gannon

            Experiment concluded long ago. Nothing since then to question the results.

            You are correct about the second part. It’s supposed to be a global conversation. If there’s nothing worthy of debate there would be no reason to stick around. Debunking woo is worthy of the effort. The future of our country depends on overcoming the attack on science that the woo on this blog represents.

          • Kristen

            If your definition of conversation means to argue, debate and try to convince others you are right and their own experiences are crock when they know otherwise, probably trolling…then yes, you do converse.
            I prefer the dictionary meaning of ‘informal talk between two or more people’, or ‘to have a conversation’ from the Latin word meaning to keep company….your idea of conversation seems to go against that in my view.
            K

          • Spiritual_Annie

            I also prefer what you’ve included as the dictionary definition. But I would add attempts to bully and shame in the first part of your post.

            Love and Blessings Always,
            ~Annie

          • Patrick Gannon

            And you never play the victim….

          • Kristen

            Victim….a person or thing that suffers harm or death in the hands of another.
            Play….to occupy oneself, to compete in a sport or game, to fulfil, to behave carelessly, to perform as an actor or musician, to send out, to cause, to freely move quickly, speculate for personal gain, to tire a hooked fish, to put a card to play, to gamble.

            Ive decided to be a pedant since you make it look so much fun, can you please just explain what you mean by ‘play the victim’?.
            You’re really screwed up if you dont realise that ALL victims have traits as a part of that experience, and bullying those you know are victims in same way is pretty low.

          • Patrick Gannon

            So you’re saying Annie is a victim despite her vehement claim to the contrary?

          • Patrick Gannon

            Once again – you are calling Annie a victim, which she has vehemently denied. You are saying that she is not “playing the victim” but IS the victim. Ok, if that’s true; let’s let Annie admit it.

          • Kristen

            Annie is a victim, the dictionary says so, she just chooses to live her life different to other victims. I dont believe in ‘woo’ or Neales teachings that there are no victims, nor good and evil etc, I go by a dictionary.
            How Annie defines herself is her business, but words are still words. You seem to bring Annie into a lot? Shes not a guy with boxing gloves on. This is about words, nothing else.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            As I’ve made it perfectly clear before, I was a victim. Patrick’s continuing to try to paint me as one now fails miserably. That’s why I didn’t say he successfully bullied or shamed me, only attempted to do so.

            He’s really on a roll about me, isn’t he? Maybe we need to post the definitions of obsession and compulsion.

          • Patrick Gannon

            So, Kristin, do you agree? Is Annie still a victim? Would you agree that she presents herself as such from time to time?

          • Kristen

            Nope, not at all. In writing a book she has chosen to share her experiences in here originally at Marcos request, whom encouraged her writing.
            Most things are in context with the relevant threads.
            We are all observers to what anyone else writes, step back and read through their eyes, and your own writings through the eyes of others. You just dont read what we read. My eyes and brain process that everyone speaks based on whom a d how they are, standard psychology, and if some people speak in a way where I can see theyve worked hard to overcome the crap of life and try to focus on the here and now aspects of their life, and are proud of themselves, rightly so, that they have conquered life using psychology to replace taken self esteem and other factors an show it then good on them. Be it education like you thats clearly self compensation, all extreme behaviours are, or wanting to talk about acheivements, then thats a variance on normal.
            I have no idea why you bring Annie into this all the time, and the only victim aspects I see is when you are mean in telling people you think they make stuff up and talk crock. I assume someone hurt you through lying in the past, but thats living as a victim, move on and accept we arent a group of crazy liars.

          • Kristen

            I know…wierd!

          • Patrick Gannon

            Why don’t you chat more with Kristin about why she thinks you are a victim. See – I’m not the only one who sees you presenting yourself in that way.

          • Kristen

            Ahhhhh, good old fashioned distortion and misinterpretations to makes oneself look better!
            Both Annie and I get it, just as I said. Annie and many people are victims or were, the word defines that BUT she chooses to live as a person rather than allowing herself to merely exist in a state of ‘victim’, shes learned ro rise above it. She WAS a victim, but can now live without that label.
            Its a word, no one is disputing the existance of any words, all words need to hold up in court remember, but theyre just words. Choose another one, perhaps abused then you may understand the context.
            Remember her use of the word riser…I assumed straight away that was her context!

          • Kristen

            The list would be too long! Ive added pedant, a trait I absolutely hate in people, nitpicking brings out the worst in me….hence Patrick!

          • Patrick Gannon

            See! She said it was an “attempt to bully.” Whatever. She’s not saying she was bullied. She’s not claiming to be a victim. If you don’t like what I post – why do you bother to read it?

          • Kristen

            She means you attempted to bully and shame her, in her view, but she doesnt allow you to succeed hence it just being attempts.
            I assume you succeed with other targets.
            And I read your posts sometimes as Ive told you…playing your game of stidying you, an interesting psychological study in one who lost his faith and still reacting badly to anyone who has it, years later.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Well, apparently we all get to pick our own definitions here, so I’m going to follow my own.

          • Raphael

            Following the dictionary definition is not “picking you own definition”. Not trying to argue here but to stick to logic.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Tell that to Annie. She’s the one who says we can all define Spirituality as we choose.

          • Raphael

            Although words have strict definitions, the subjective experiences they stand for are different for everyone.

            For example “love” means different things to different people…according to their subjective experience, needs and expectations.

            So it is, in my view, not wrong to state “spiritually means this to me”, or “love means this to me”, or “life means this to me”…it’s a very common approach to describing our own unique views and experiences.

          • Patrick Gannon

            I prefer dictionary definitions myself, but let’s face it. On this blog, starting with Neale, through the use of capitalizations, and other techniques, Neale subtly changes the meanings of certain words in order to paint his picture. I would prefer we all stick to dictionary definitions. I’m just saying that if others can play this game, I can too. I was really just giving a smart-a$$ response.

            I am quite comfortable with your “means this to me” approach. That includes a caveat – that the meaning is an opinion. Spirituality to me is a state of awe, amazement, transcending, etc.

            I think it’s fair to say, that for most here, the word implies that there is a force, a god, an energy, a field, an essential essence, i.e. woo. I object to that definition.

          • Raphael

            I relate to the attitude of awe…and a deep appreciation for beauty (which probably comes from being an artist).

          • Kristen

            Actually the word spirituality, like beliefs, is one that is open to personal definitions, not many words are though. Just as some like ‘woo’ are clearly made up by the speaker.
            As Ive said before my personal choice is to not use words with no clear definition BUT this website that you and I both CHOOSE to be in is one with foundations on those words. If you dont like it just leave, simple really. I dont comment (other than this thread now) on thing about spirituality or beliefs. No ones forcing you ro read it or comment, just use self control.
            But just for the record, all religions, spiritual teachings, Laws and concepts all teach of karma SO when you constantly point out you think people are being unspiritual, they are actually spiritual!

          • Patrick Gannon

            You forget that Annie said we can all define spirituality, as we choose. I personally prefer dictionary definitions. I would prefer to stick to basic logic – see my post responding to Neale’s article.

          • Kristen

            Hypocrite….you constantly point out when others, including Neale, use words out of context…at least once per thread if you need a clarification on my use of the word constantly.
            So if I have this right then you can point out when others use words incorrectly or their own interpretation to the point of pedantism, but you can do the same when it suits you.
            To save you looking it up, Ill save you time:
            Pedant…a person who is concerned chiefly with insignificant detail or who relies on too much academic learning.
            Pedantry….the practice of being a pedant especially in the minute observation of pettiness, rules or details.
            And yes, Raphael is right below, you cant pick your own definition with words…definitions are in the dictionary. Perhaps you mean interpretation, perception, translation or misconception?

            So…..a psychological question. Im sure you’ve done the tests where you’re asked to write down 20 words that 100 people as a random cross section of people that you encounter at least monthly, would use to define you. Whats its like having negative words like bully, pedant and others on that list?
            Proud?
            Or mortified?
            Yes Im being a biarch…just feel like it today!

          • Craig

            And now you have added 3 words to my vocabulary…

          • Kristen

            Haha, I hope biarch is one. I’ll write that too since its not in the dictionary.
            Biarch….PC spelling of the slang word meaning a female engaging in petty, spiteful or malicious behaviour.
            Just mirroring the male version of one, that pretends theyre something other than what they are! I believe the male version of biarch is ‘dick’…5 words! My dictionary says a dick is an overly opinionated person knowingly causing annoyance…perfect! A pedantic dick!

          • Patrick Gannon

            Nice. Very spiritual….

          • Kristen

            Told you I dont use that word, it has no clear definition so not in my vocab.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            That’s OK. Patrick’s perfectly willing to define what Spirituality should mean, or not mean, for each of us personally.

          • Patrick Gannon

            No, no, no. I would prefer dictionary definitions – but it was you who said we can all define it any way we like. I simply disagree with your definition.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            You do attempt to define Spirituality for others every time you comment things like, “very Spiritual” or “how Spiritual of you” or the other ways you try to equate someone’s words as what you would define as not being Spiritual. All it does, however, is point out that you have little understanding of Spiritual experiences and people yourself.

          • Patrick Gannon

            No it points out how hypocritical some are about their definition of ‘spiritual.’

          • Spiritual_Annie

            … according to your definition.

          • Patrick Gannon

            No, according to theirs.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            I disagree. You are comparing each person’s definition of what Spirituality means to them, and then comparing those statements against what they say in their posts? I don’t think that everyone has given such a definition, or that you have taken the time to compare each statement you’ve passed judgment on to each person’s definition of what Spirituality means to them. Please provide compelling, objective evidence that you have done so.

            Until you do so, I stand by my previous statement.

          • Patrick Gannon

            I can live with that. As long as I have the evidence on my side. Better than being delusional.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Nobody has shown that I’m using words out of context. I think ‘pedant’ is the perfect word for Annie, who always leaves the real topic to try to ding me. As you are attempting to do here, for no other reason than I’m deconstructing woo beliefs.

          • Kristen

            Nope, Annies not a pendant.
            You arent deconstructing anyones beliefs of proven facts, you’re just typing away and sometimes people read it if theyre bored enough.
            What do you claim to have managed to convince anyone? Just one thing where you can say you were right and someone else acknowledged you were right and they were wrong?

          • Raphael

            Annie’s not a pendant? I hope not, it could get uncomfortable after a few hours…hanging from the neck of some giant from outer space.
            She is not a pedant either.

          • Kristen

            Hahaha, Im leaving that typo in, Annie reads all these trivial posts, she can have a laugh. Ill be one of the giants slippers.
            Patrick thinks she’s a pedant….and ‘dings’. Ill have to look that word up! I would have thought ‘ding’ is like a sound of victory like a bell, or perhaps he meant she is ding donging him, a violent exchange or words? Poor Annie. A pendant that goes ding dong in woo?
            Sorry Annie when you read this, Im just being a biarch trolling a troll, not you!

          • Spiritual_Annie

            No apologies necessary. I understand and applaud what you’re saying, along with the chuckles and occasional guffaw.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            And you complain about it when people “ding” you, or make a conversation all about you! How many times have you mentioned me in your posts in this column? Just another example of your trying to bait, bully, antagonize and shame others.

            Correction: You are attempting to “deconstruct” the personal experiences of the people here. Where have you succeeded? Where is your objective evidence that you have successfully done so?

          • Patrick Gannon

            Did you happen to notice that nobody thus far has disagreed with, or challenged my assertion that there may be an ethical consideration when it comes to speaking disparagingly about people who have no opportunity to respond or defend themselves?

            Yes I targeted you and your ‘experiences’ since you repeatedly make them a topic of discussion. We can let it go now if you like.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            And you’re avoiding my question…

          • Patrick Gannon

            I was referring to deconstructing Neale’s woo beliefs for the most part, and I think I usually do a pretty good job of it. You don’t have to agree.

            I’ve deconstructed several of your arguments in the past – like the idea that the electromagnetic field put out by our heart or brain can be used to affect other matter. That’s easily proven to be wrong, since the force field doesn’t extend any useful distance.

            I deconstructed Neale’s “we are one” message from the bible. He took those passages completely out of context.

            The objective evidence is the words in my responses.

          • Kristen

            You havnt deconstructed anything that Ive seen, you’ve only explained about one half of anything, science. I havnt see one person lose one droplet of their faith on anything based on your views.

          • Kristen

            First paragraph….perhaps we dont read it, tjat doesnt mean people agree, a no reply or no comment certainly doesnt quantify as agreeing or disagreeing with anyone.
            But since you so nicely asked….thats irrelevant here, theres no reason to not believe anyone on any matter, thats just your personal stance, based on a lack of psychological understandings. Trust me…if anyone was lying Id spot it and be sure to let you know. As far as Im personally concerned, perpetrators throw away their rights when they take rights from another, unless of course it could harm their living close family. Many ‘victims of abuse’, meaning the legal word not ‘victim syndrome’ are only set free when people die or are out of their life once and for all.
            So then is your stance that the abused should just suffer in silence and shut up if the perpetrators arent present to portray the other side? Thats sick!

          • Patrick Gannon

            No, I’m not being a hypocrite. I’m making fun of Annie’s assertion that we get to define certain words like “spiritual” as we choose.

            Neale’s sin in taking scriptures out of context was particularly egregious. You’ll never catch me doing something like that.

            Conversations can be very spirited. It’s not mandatory that you join in if you don’t like the flavor of the conversation.

            Disputing the laws of physics is not an “insignificant detail.” It’s a pretty big deal. No apologies here.

            You can call me anything, you want. Just don’t call me late to dinner.

            As for being a bully; if I’m a bully, that means we have to have a victim. Annie vehemently denies that she’s a victim. She believes she’s holding her own with me. That you see me as a bully, means you must see her as a victim. You must see that she is not prevailing in our “conversation,” and perhaps you feel badly for her because she’s out of her league – particularly when she tries to pretend she knows much of anything about science. Ask Annie if she thinks she’s a victim? If she says no, then I’m not a bully. If she says, yes – ask her why she doesn’t take Marco’s advice and stop engaging me.

            If I thought she was really a victim, I’d let it go. Annie wants someone to pay attention to her, even if it’s bad attention – and again, I normally never talk about other people this way in a public forum, but Annie has gone out of her way to make her life a subject of discussion here.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Wow, are you wrong about me. You don’t know me at all other than what I’ve shared on this site and assume that’s all of who I am.

            Bullying doesn’t need a victim. It needs a target, which in your case is anyone who doesn’t agree with your science-only paradigm.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Bullying: “use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.”

            So you say I have superior strength or influence to intimidate others? I intimidate you? I force you to do things? If I could force you to do things, I would force you to read a couple science books.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Hmmm…

            I would read the “first part” as the first paragraph, as it all relates to your motivation for being here. That was my intention when I wrote it. At least we’re not your lab rats anymore.

            I would read the “second part” as the second paragraph of my post, which addresses the postulation put forth about your repetitiveness. That was my intention when I wrote it. Possibly a psychological slip there, showing that you do, in fact, repeat your points in order to convince yourself rather than others, despite your saying otherwise.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Of course I need to convince myself. That’s why I try to constantly improve my knowledge. You should try it sometime…

          • Kristen

            Self brainwashing….interesting!

          • Patrick Gannon

            Education is brainwashing?

          • Kristen

            Only when it crosses the line making people obsessive or pedants!

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Who says I don’t? You? Based on what compelling, objective evidence??

            Have you ever considered the possibility that our interests are different, and I therefore “improve my knowledge” in areas other than your sacred science?

          • Patrick Gannon

            Sure you can study other things, but stop pretending you know science.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            When you stop pretending you understand Spirituality.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Did I say I understand spirituality?

          • Patrick Gannon

            Based on your obvious lack of knowledge about current scientific progress. Anyone reading here can see that.

            I’m sure you study things you already have a cognitive bias for. That would not surprise me. We all have a tendency to do that. Some are better at broadening their horizons than others.

            We’re on a forum discussing all sorts of woo stuff. All that matters as far as the topic of knowledge on this forum is – what’s relevent? If you’re educating yourself on how to make a better chocolate chip cookie – that’s great, but it has nothing to do with knowledge that is applicable or relevent here. You say again and again that you don’t know how the metaphysical works, so you don’t even have proposals for how your own beliefs might be supported. You might remember “Bruce” who showed up here a while back trying to sell his quantum woo book. At least he had a proposal – even if he was incapable or unwilling to discuss it in his own words.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            I have a cognitive bias about pottery? Literature? Photography? Politics? History? Architecture? Peace? Writing? Psychology? Miniature Schnauzers? Website building? Trees? Philosophy? Sexuality? Publishing? Poetry and prose?

            Compelling, objective evidence, please!

          • Patrick Gannon

            Don’t be obtuse. I was talking about what’s relevent. Pottery is not relevent. Reading about HEBs is relevent – and I perceive that you read stuff like that because you have a cognitive bias that leads you to research things you already largely believe in.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            For the umpteenth time, I did not purchase, nor did I ask to have purchased for me, nor did I hint at the fact that I wanted to have purchased for me, or by any other means act in a way so that I would end up with a copy of CWG Book 4 until I’d saved up enough money to purchase it, which I expected would be months and months after it was published. It was an unexpected gift from a dear friend. (It’s ridiculous that I have to keep pointing that out to you. Maybe dementia has already started to affect you? You might want to get that checked out.) I cannot afford books, or audio books, or Kindle books, except on very rare occasion. I can’t even remember the last one I purchased. I’d have a to check. Additionally, HEB’s have had little to do with the discussions going on related to this column. They are not mentioned in the “1,000 Words to Peace” that Neale posted. When the last time I mentioned them?

            According to you, pottery isn’t relevant to the conversation. But what do archaeologists find most often in their digs? The foundations of buildings, the communal trash heaps, and pottery. Literature, poetry and prose, and writing are certainly relevant as isn’t it the written word that you argue so vehemently against? History is most certainly relevant as any group’s history includes their system of belief. Architecture applies as well, as it is the finding of buildings and their layouts into city-states that helps archaeology determine what was most important to that group (not to mention the hundreds of cathedrals that have been built for centuries).

            As I’ve also said before, my politics (as well as all forms of governance) is my Spirituality expressed. As is my dedication to saving the ecology and ensuring trees are planted wherever there is space, and fighting against the ruination of the few remaining tropical forests, as well as our own. As is my dedication to peace, everywhere. Website building, psychology, philosophy, publishing, and sexuality are all connected by my calling to help others who have experienced abuse of any kind.

            I only threw Miniature Schnauzers in that list because I’ve needed to learn about them since inheriting him from Christie, but I would certainly count him as one of the blessings in my life.

            This is what you continue to fail to see: absolutely everything I think, say and do is my Spirituality expressed. My Spirituality is at the very core of who I am, based not just on years of reading about religion and Spirituality, but experiencing it in my own life. It is certainly not based on the listening to (or, as you call it, “reading”) books written by scientists who are biased towards your particle-based “core theory” and allowing them to become my sacred scriptures, and Science my God.

            I don’t believe I’m the one being obtuse, as the reason I find myself repeating things over and over and over again is that you don’t get it, or simply refuse to see it. Your sheer stubbornness for the sake of stubbornness isn’t winning you any converts, is it? Maybe you ought to consider, based on the compelling evidence that what you’re doing isn’t working, that you should change your tactics.

          • Kristen

            Haha….whats bigger? The bump on your forehead or hole in the brick wall?

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Only a small dent. It’s just a trailer, so it has a lot of give to it. Or do you mean Patrick? He’s got no give at all, but also has no ability to cause me harm with his words. At least he’s ending conversations!

          • Patrick Gannon

            I wasn’t referring specifically to CwG4, but to the fact that you read many such books. You’ve indicated this several times.

            I’m not even going to read the rest of your post. I entered into discussion with you about the morality and ethics of relaying personal details that disparage other individuals (rightly or wrongly) who are not here to defend themselves. We disagree over what constitutes ethical behavior. What constitutes your *spirituality*, is something I don’t care for. That’s it. Case closed. I’m done with that conversation.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            I read many such books? Really? Please provide compelling, objective evidence for that statement, which clearly opposes my statement that I can’t even remember the last time I could afford one.

            What person am I disparaging (other than you) in my above post? Who is it, specifically, that isn’t here to defend themselves? Where in the above post was I unethical (according to your standards)?

            “Case closed” because you say so? Afraid to answer my questions about the above post? Can’t defend yourself?

          • Patrick Gannon

            Annie, you’ve mentioned reading most or perhaps all of Neale’s books, and mentioned reading woo books by other authors. I’m not going to search archives to prove this because it doesn’t matter.

            The people you are disparaging are those you accuse of doing bad things to you, in your woeful stories that you repeat again and again, making sure that anyone new here gets to hear your sad tales. The people you accuse aren’t here to defend themselves. It’s unethical to do that in my world. I wasn’t referring to a single post, but to our long drawn out discussion.

            This is futile. I can’t say anything further without really ridiculing you, so I’m going to just bow out of this discussion. You can think whatever you want. You continue to lower my prior credence for your credibility.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Yes, years ago (sometimes decades), when I could afford books, I read all of Neale’s. You conveniently forget that I also read the sacred scriptures of most religions, commentary by scholars in their fields, archaeology, mythology, psychology, politics, humor, fantasy, sci-fi, and many other topics, including science.

            My post above had nothing to do with our previous conversation on another column. It made no mention of people “doing bad things to [me].” As far as I am concerned, that was a completed conversation. I didn’t bring it up here—you did.

            It seems to me you simply withdrew from this conversation because you had no answers to my above post. And the opinion of a person about who I am is directly related to the importance of that person in my life. You? Pfffft….

          • Patrick Gannon

            You know what? I did cross over two threads. I forgot that this thread started because you felt it was necessary to warn a new person about me. I lost track of where this particular thread started. I also didn’t realize that you considered the ethics discussion closed. That certainly works for me.

            As I’ve said elsewhere. It’s nice that you find me to be such an important topic of discussion on this forum, but I’d really rather talk about Neale’s articles. He’s the one I’m here to challenge. Debunking your experiences or material only matters insofar as it serves to challenge Neale’s woo.

            As I also posted today, he got another real ding from a science experiment conducted in China. He just doesn’t know it yet, because he most likely doesn’t understand the implications. It’s all physical and a tiny door of quantum woo appears to be slamming shut. He can afford “The Big Picture” and similar science books. He should do some research, so he knows where he stands with regard to the current state of our knowledge. Know thine enemy, as they say; and he’s made science his enemy. I’m just the forerunner of what’s to come. You cannot stop the earth from orbiting the sun, any more than you can have real magic, and Neale is a magician telling us magic is real.

            I’m sorry, but the war is over. The gods lost; it just hasn’t sunk in yet. If we want to be relevent in the future of our society, we’ve got to accept this, and figure out how to deal with it. Without getting into another debate about what “spiritual” means, perhaps it could morph into a word that is about devotion to helping people deal with the realities of our natural world. We are going to die, and that’s it. What is the best thing we can do for ourselves and our society that does not include lying to ourselves? How can “spiritual” people help others who are frightened (rightfully so – it’s an evolutionary development) of dying forever? Is there a role for “spiritual” people in helping to deal with this inevitable issue our society is going to have to deal with?

            Neale still has a chance to remain relevent, to leave a legacy, to correct a wrong, to blaze a new path for “spirituality.” He has all the right words, all the right ideas – now wrap it up around reality.

          • Patrick Gannon

            So when Neale repeats himself again and again, as he does, and as he admits to – then he is trying to convince himself?

            I can buy into that!

          • Patrick Gannon

            I’m willing to take that conjecture seriously. Can you suggest what my innermost fears might be? I haven’t had such, since I dumped Christianity. My fear is that we are attacking the one thing that has the best chance of saving us – science. There are people like me, fighting woo, like what is found on this site, all over the place. I’m just trying to do my part to educate the scientifically illiterate in hopes that they will drop their antagonism to science.

          • Craig

            My guess would be the unknown factor…
            You seem to be well conversed with proven facts but when it comes to the unknown or unfamiliar you debunk therm very quick. A mental indication of a struggle to accept above all doubt. That is a recipe for the creation of subconscious fear…
            Let others believe as they like as long as they harm no one, as you often comment is acceptable. We need not bark out comments that would insult their convictions. Guide us gently and caringly to what you desire us to accept. Debunking our inner convictions is slapping us around as idiots because we do not accept.
            Again you are well conversed and have researched more than most of us. Go gentle on those you want to help for then they know you care enough to want to make a difference…
            This conduct shows uncertainty in my vocabulary. While you have the knowledge and resources to transform many woo followers you are pushing them back into woo outstretched arms every time you indirectly refer to us as idiots, even if unintentionally…
            Step back a little, use different resources over the past century and you may be surprised how easy it becomes to guide willing seekers of the truth.
            Sure science is facts and can save provided it is used correct. We are not into living on different planets yet so do hjot go there would be my advice. Address the current needs and a lot may choose to accept your view.
            Sorry I am not a woo follower nor a Jew or Christian so you will not change my views. I accept evolution as part of the creation. I also accept that the calling or creation of man and woman 6000 years ago was the first mental. Awareness of something more than this physical. Do not ask for proof as you will need to experience your own before you will accept something more than science and now… Agnostics is a reasonable view to remain in the good books of both world’s don’t you think.
            A least it is not satanism or spiritualism.

          • Patrick Gannon

            “You seem to be well conversed with proven facts but when it comes to the unknown or unfamiliar you debunk therm very quick.”

            What “unknown” things have I debunked? Woo is not unknown. Woo IS debunked. I know this is hard to understand unless you have enough understanding of the science to know that this is so.

            I admit to the possibility of a deist god. What other unknown have I debunked?

            I hear the ‘honey attracts more flies than vinegar’ approach, but it’s just not my style. There’s just no nice way to tell people that their closely held beliefs are debunked.

          • Kristen

            Theres no nice way to tell you that its sad you miss out on so much by having such a closed mind and God hasnt proven himself to you as He has to other…it actually makes you look like an idiot.

          • Patrick Gannon

            OK, so we’ve degraded to personal insults, which as always is my exit point. As a parting shot, so you know I too am capable of flinging personal insults…. it is better to look like an idiot, than to be one. Bye bye, Kristen.

          • Kristen

            Haha..eye for an eye and you run! The ultimate personal insult is trying to dispel the truths of others, akin to saying they lie! Saying “theres no nice way to tell people” were your words!
            Lucky Im not you or I would reply saying I must have hit a nerve, have you questioning your own beliefs, have debunked everything you stand for, that you hallucinate or imagine things and you are withdrawing because Ive challenged you and you cant dispute what I say so are finishing the conversations. And convince myself that Ive ‘won’.
            But I’m me, its much nicer being me, so Il just say LOL. Probably two LOLs since someone upvoted that!

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Brava! Encore! Encore! And that upvote was just from one of your faithful fans (pun intended). And don’t let him fool you. He’s insulted me plenty.

          • Patrick Gannon

            I did not personally insult her, until she insulted me, and then I walked away. I have and will continue to insult and ridicule ideas that are deserving of such treatment. If criticism of an idea is interpreted by someone as criticism of themselves – that’s not my problem.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            You appear to have missed her point that you regularly insult people when you “try to dispel the truths of others, akin to saying they lie!” And then threw back at you precisely what you do to others—repeatedly.

          • Patrick Gannon

            As I said above – if dispelling the truths of others is seen as a personal insult – that’s not my problem. Read Neale’s books. He says we are responsible for our own feelings. If we are insulted because someone insults our ideas, then that’s our problem. That’s not me – that’s Neale saying that. I agree with him on that point. You take criticism of your ideas and subjective experiences as criticisms of you. That’s your problem. If you can’t deal with such criticisms, you probably shouldn’t be here.

            I have not called anyone a liar. I know you woo people believe these things, so why would I call you a liar? What I would call lies are certain particular beliefs. I don’t like that word, they are really just debunked beliefs.

            Is there any chance at all you could get back to the subject matter of Neale’s blog? I attempt more than anyone else here to raise discussion about his articles, and inevitably, you turn it into a discussion about me. I’m honored that you find me more interesting than what Neale has to offer, but enough is enough.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Don’t flatter yourself. You simply post more profusely than anyone else here. I responded to Neale’s column, as I so desired. Just because you post a criticism of part of what was in his column (cherry picking) doesn’t mean any of us are required to respond to them.

          • Kristen

            I know, it was just time to be a biarch, ya gotta do what ya gotta do! A spades a spade, no matter what mask it wears.

          • Patrick Gannon

            That’s not an answer.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            It’s my answer, so yes, it’s an answer.

          • Kristen

            LOL

          • Kristen

            You know what Annie….In many years in here, reading so much, thats my absolute favourite comment EVER.
            Should be a fridge magnet comment!
            Xx

          • Spiritual_Annie

            ROFLMAO! Feel free to borrow it anytime. I might be using it again someday. More likely sooner rather than later, with the way things have been going.

            Personally, my loudest laugh lately has been about my being a “pendant.” 😉

          • Kristen

            Hey anythings better than being a pedant!
            Ive just been called an idiot, we’re on a roll here!

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Really? An idiot? Wow. Not my opinion of you, to be sure. And I seem to remember someone saying (paraphrasing) that insults are an indication one has no valid argument. Hmmm…

            And do you trust that the person making that claim knows you and your abilities well enough to have compelling, objective evidence to make such a claim? Even more, do you respect this individual enough to value their opinion of you?

            Some people never seem to understand that an insult only has meaning to us if the person making it also has meaning to us.

            Love and Blessings Always,
            ~Annie

          • Patrick Gannon

            She said I looked like an idiot, so I returned the insult and cut off the discussion.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            And I pointed out to Kirsten that insults only mean as much to us as our opinion of the one making them. So…?

          • Kristen

            Haha.
            I was open about being a biarch, and was rude deliberately…eye for an eye. I said he looked like an idiot, bit apparently Im actually one.
            I await the research on me, the compelling, objective, scientific evidence backed up by his medical peers since idiot has a legal meaning! Should be fun!
            Last sentence…I agree, so just laugh.
            xx

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Yeah, I wouldn’t hold my breath on that research and evidence. Unless you want to die again from lack of oxygen.

            Actually, I laugh a lot here. People just don’t always know it, or catch the double-entendre of a craftily worded phrase. I suspect that you do, but don’t normally engage as much as you have here. I just picture you laughing (or yawning, as the case may be) behind the scenes.

          • Kristen

            Damn, I was looking forward to a free psych report!

            Yip, I see it all, in a post I mentioned Language Majic, I spot those things and do alternate between smiling and snoring! And can ‘sense’ peoples moods when I read it anyway so sometimes have to read through different eyes if the mood feels different to the words.
            xx

        • Kristen

          We all did that years ago, thats why we’re here and confident in whats proven to us!!!
          You should try it sometime.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Challenging personal beliefs should be a life long endeavor.

          • Raphael

            Few beliefs are truly personal beliefs…most beliefs are inherited (through social, cultural, religious conditioning, or education or a lack thereof)…which is why they should be challenged, because they do not necessarily resonate with who we are.

            Any thought that is no longer moving forward, growing, progressing, changing becomes dogma. It is set in stone and might as well be buried 6 feet under. That’s what religion is about…as well as inflexible political ideology.

            In my view absolutely everything should be challenged, including the origin and direction of civilization itself, the nature of government, of authority and power, or state coercion and punishment, the existence of the military and resolving conflicts through violence, the total unsustainability of our economic systems, the ideas of world power dominance, not a single idea or concept or system should remain unchallenged, to the point of nihilism if necessary (from the historical meaning of the word: the doctrine of an extreme Russian revolutionary party c.1900, which found nothing to approve of in the established social order).

          • Kristen

            I dont think I actually have any beliefs. I believe in a lot thats proven to mem science or via others I trust to tell the truth, but beliefs is a different word, I think beliefs are the woo Patrick talks of, superstitions (cant spell it!), and made up ‘crock’.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Yeah, Patrick continues to use “woo” despite it’s dictionary definition. My Granny used to make sauerkraut in a crock in her root cellar.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Pedantic?

          • Kristen

            Best place for crock…filled with sauerkraut and shoved in a cellar!

          • Kristen

            Wow…Ive got it, looked the word woo up.
            Is Patrick trying to woo you with reverse psychology, a bit like muchausens syndrome?
            Or does he mean to coax or urge? Gently wooing people away from God and to science only?
            Ill have to ask what he actually means by woo.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            “Gently”? Ha!

          • Kristen

            A true gentleman! Must be, my dictionary says so, its a pedantic dictionary!
            Theres a Universal Law when you get to a certain ‘level’ that I call Language Majic, where every word will work in every context all the time and its completely automated with lots of other ‘majic’. I love it, one of my favourite Laws, I love writing fiction as it kicks in all the time, I sort of go where it leads me.
            In the weekend I was writing a dreadful scene, sobbing most the weekend as I had to kill off a character, I could see her fate unravelling to needed to ‘euthanaise’ her.
            She dropped her baby off to the father in a Moses basket via a social worker then ran, I stayed with them ‘listening’ to write them, his family, not her, at that point I didnt know where she would go.
            They used ‘language majic’ to try to find, she had a two hour head start, just inland from NY. They know she has majic in her so would have accidently left clues.
            Their first thought was Moses, the Moses basket, years ago they found a baby (Trixie Belden books) and had him in a Moses basket, calling him Moses until they found the mother.
            They googled for a town Moses, or Floyd since the baby is called Heyou from his parents favourite song Hey You by Pink Floyd. Viola, there is a Robert Moses Park just out of NY with a beach, they suspected she would head to a beach to cry, before killing herself, she had no choice. The original baby Moses was really called Robert so I had no choice but to go with it. Its a fun way to write, like Im being led through stories rather than writing it all myself using my own language as signs. I guess I have to let them save her now since theyre only an hour away and she’ll have to go through something worse than death, dammit.
            If you ever write fiction you should try it, just look for the majic in the words you use, it works in songs and real life as well, only in English though, English was so carefully written.
            Take care,
            K

          • Raphael

            Interestingly (now it’s the professor talking) the word believe has the word “lie” in the middle. I do not believe in beliefs either…I would rather seek the truth and actual knowledge.

          • Patrick Gannon

            You believe in a “Source” god, don’t you? You believe in the hosts of Jewish gods who report to that Source, right?

            Do you believe in a six day creation? A literal Adam and Eve? A mass Exodus from Egypt? A genocidal conquest of Canaan? I seem to recall you expressing at least some of these beliefs.

          • Kristen

            BELIEVE in The Source, yes, its been proven to me, not a belief.

            Do I believe the Jewish God reports to The Source…nope, you’ve read scripture, can you see Him reporting anyone? If He does then so be it, I can only guess that one.

            Other Gods…I BELIEVE there are multiple Gods and dieties but Im personally aware of one, the Israelite God.

            Six day creation, obviously not, Im not retarded, but it is an old family story recorded in scriptures of a story based on something. Some believe each day represents 1000years since scripture states a thousand years is but a day to God so I could possibly believe that if I was so boring and had no life that I chose to study and study it, but Im not boring and do have a life so it doesnt matter to me. Fine line between interested and obsessed, I dont cross that line. That would make me a pedant!
            Acedemics and bores are loopy in my view, no life Larries, life is for living, why waste time studying boring information when I could be having fun or enjoying life, its pointless! Id rather watch someone watching paint dry than bore myself over matters that wont change anything, if I wanted to be a scientist I would be!

            Adam and Eve, we’ve been through that one when you decided I was racist somehow because in my VIEW its the story of the introduction of caucasions to Earth thousands of years ago, under their God YWHW which changed everything.

            Exodus, no idea I wasnt there but like Noah, thats the family stories obviously based on something, just as other cultures have. Ask God.

            Canaan, no idea, wasnt there. Again, why form views on something irrelevant now and then I could still be 50% wrong, again ask God, Im not God sorry.

            These are the views Ive already expressed to you previously.

          • Patrick Gannon

            You do accept that you can’t prove your “knowing” to anyone else, right? You understand that your subjective knowing about the god of yours is not something you can demonstrate to anyone else using real evidence, correct? Assuming you agree – because we both know you have no real evidence – what use is your knowing for the rest of humanity? What good does it do? What value does it provide, since you can’t prove it? We all disagree about definitions here, but to me, this is how I define beliefs.

            “…no life Larries” she says about the people who gave her the tools to call them foolish. If it wasn’t for “no life Larries” we wouldn’t be here. Not everyone defines “fun” the same way. I sometimes get bursts of inspiration or “ah ha” moments when something clicks, that blow my mind. I get it that for many, maybe most people, trying to be happy is their only goal in life. Fortunately for all of us, a few want to do more with their lives.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Nothing has been”proven” or you’d have evidence for it. That it is proven to YOU, to the individual who believes without objective evidence, is meaningless and contributes nothing to actually knowing the truth.

          • Kristen

            I have an abundance of evidence for what I believe in thanks.

          • Patrick Gannon

            If you can’t present objective evidence, then you don’t have anything of value to use for determining the truth, do you? It’s of no value to anyone but you, and does nothing to advance human knowledge.

            Your brain will be of little value when you die. The processes that drive it will have stopped. There’s nothing they can get out of your brain about you. All that is you, is the combination of connections in your brain that can no longer take place. Without those connections, there is no longer a you. What they can do while you are alive is illustrate with advanced scanning technology that your thoughts originate from your brain.

            I know you don’t believe this, but for the sake of argument, would it be so horrible, if when we die, we’re just done? Why is that so scary to people? I was “dead” for billions of years before I came to life, and I will be dead for billions of years after I die, and in both cases, I’ll know exactly the same thing – nothing; because I’ll be dead. I’m not afraid of that, but I suspect that most people are.

          • Kristen

            Um…actually by personal evidence is priceless to me, and I have no interest in advancing human knowledge. I havnt fallen into the Serpents trap, stuck on the tree of knowledge, most of us learned tjat in Sunday School.
            Ive been out of my body, seen spirits and communicated with them so I KNOW your beliefs on that are crock.

          • Patrick Gannon

            No interest in advancing human knowledge. You just want to sponge off the efforts of those who do so?

            The serpent told the truth. That’s why Yahweh got his panties in a twist.

            So, just how long were you underwater? (grin)

          • Craig

            Unfortunately I have to agree with your deduction that the serpent told the truth, but that is not even half of the story…
            But that is another day another blogs discussion…

          • Patrick Gannon

            LOL. Indeed. That story ends with child abandonment!

      • Raphael

        Thank you Annie…

    • Kristen

      Howdy…know what really takes courage, and the balls of a big balled thing?
      Eating blue moldy fried bread!

      • Raphael

        That goes beyond courage…that’s heroism. But I knew you could do it…and now I suppose you want a medal?

        • Kristen

          Hell no…I want more moldy fried bread!

          • Raphael

            Okay…I will have to reach into the skunk hole and retrieve whatever the little critter has not eaten yet. I hope he hasn’t sprayed it, although it will add flavor. And if it doesn’t kill you, it will make you stronger, as used to say my grandmother who died at 14 (yes they started early in them old days).

          • Kristen

            Is that a Californian thing of preppers keeping emergency supplies in a skunkhole? Heck, I didnt even know skunks had holes!
            I love the skunk spray flavour, sort of disguises the tang of the black mold.
            My grandmas 96, she says that too, guess yours tried to eat the skunk uncooked, silly woman!

          • Raphael

            I don’t know whether skunks have holes, but I decided to create my own reality…although my skunk (everyone needs a skunk) lives under the deck.
            Most preppers here keep supplies in the bathtub, since they don’t see any need to wash more than once a year, in the seasonal creek.
            Eating skunks uncooked is a family tradition of which I am very proud, that and snacking on roasted tarantulas.
            The moldy smelly thing is on its way…priority post.

          • Kristen

            Damn….just realised one of my cats is actually a skunk. No wonder my bedroom smells odd, it sleeps on my bed.
            Our family tradition is fried roaches, we’re poor so have them in abundance! Ill have some on the bread…thanks.

          • Raphael

            Your cat sleeps on the bed? I sleep on the cat…an african lion, big and fat. Smells odd too, but it’s me, not him.
            You have to try deep fried maggots, an absolute delight on rotten pizza. And easily accessible too, at Walmart where the flies are abundant…

          • Kristen

            You do artwork for flies? Wow!
            Yip maggots are a family favourite. I have my own breeding program, its called climate change in NZ, flies year round now. I catch them on those hanging sticky fly trap things then put in a jar with catfood for a week. Love the aroma, I spray my house with it to attract more flies. The circle of life! Not a fan of pizza but I find when you leave a smoothie on the bench for a few days it cultures to an amazing dipping sauce. Quick whisk and its as good as new. Saves on antibiotics, and people repellant.
            Tried sleeping on the cat once, he’s a big Toyger breed, didnt go down as well as I thought, he now makes a great doorstop though. But yip, a cat sleeps on my bed, just the one on a good day, three on a bad day, I can’t move, its always the lazy fat 3. As opposed to the other 67!
            If you smell odd, perhaps your skunk cologne range at Walmart wont be as successful as planned. Although??!!

          • Raphael

            I have been looking for a good people repellant for a while now…do you think that a mixture of garlic and cabbage juice with a few drop of skunk cologne would do the trick? It’s just that I like to have some elbow room when I fly…

          • Kristen

            You have such cheap taste, such a commoner, get some class would ya.
            Upgrade it all. Annie may her her grandmas recipe for saurkraut since this is a recipe website. Marinate the garlic in a bit of raw chicken on the bench for a week, then dilute the skunk cologne with male cat pee, or any male really, best the morning after asparagus I find.
            That should do the trick, although there are always a few wierdos out there so you may find them all flocking to the door.
            Elbow rooms good, I cant fly so tend to walk everywhere with my arms out.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            As far as what I saw when she made it, it was just cabbage, sugar, salt and vinegar. And sitting in a cheesecloth covered crock in a root cellar seemingly forever.

  • Jethro

    Several statements above helped me regain my sanity in a time of great distress, (if sanity is a real thing). I think with a high degree of certainty that if these statements were to replace some beliefs, the world could certainly change for the better.

    • Spiritual_Annie

      Society redefines what sanity is over time and in different cultures. My favorite description is doing something again and again, expecting different results. Unfortunately, that’s not always how it works in practice.

      I’m glad to hear that you regained your sanity. Or most of it. 😉

      Love and Blessings Always,
      ~Annie

      • Jethro

        Thank you 🙂 Society defines sanity in the same manner it defines right and wrong. I said earlier, jokingly, that sanity may not exist and then thought about it extensively. It falls in the same place as right or wrong. It’s all up to the people how it’s defined. Of course they all exist, but the definition of it, or the examples of it, do change over time. It’s insane to not care for your garden or care for your animals because you may starve to death if you don’t… When and where?

        Love and Blessings Always

        • Spiritual_Annie

          You’re welcome. 😀

          Having had a fair amount of exposure to the mental health care system in America, the system itself has redefined what is considered sane. In my experience, I’ve seen the system devolve from that of one that promotes healing (sanity) regardless of the cost to the health insurance industry, to one that promotes healing (sanity) regardless of the cost to the client (or their ability to pay for it), to becoming similar to the prison system where inpatient stays are for safety purposes only (not promoting healing, which I consider less than sane). Of course, that’s still more sane than the horror stories I’ve heard about the asylums that people were pretty much experimented on just a couple of generations ago.

          On top of that, there’s still no parity/equality in coverage for physical chemical imbalances in the brain and (for example) physical chemical imbalances in the thyroid, even though they’re both physically based and both treated with medication. Another situation I consider less than sane.

          I think it’s pretty insane that we’re ruining the planet that could sustain us if we chose to treat it with the respect and nurturing it deserves, but there’s no therapy (or involuntary inpatient stays) for that. Instead, it’s a matter of being aware and promoting awareness in others.

          It’s all a matter of context. Kinda like that old joke about someone beating their head against a wall because it feels good when they stop.

          When and where what?

          Love and Blessings Always,
          ~Annie

          • Jethro

            It’s insane to not care for your garden or care for your animals because you may starve to death if you don’t… When would this be insane and where would this be insane? My neighbors go to a grocery store… What garden?

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Ahhh… I guess it would be rather suicidal if one’s only nutrition came from a maintained garden and the animals one raised, wouldn’t it? I don’t doubt this occurs in many places on the planet. Small, family oriented farms and some preppers come to mind. The very unpopulated areas in our and other countries. Places where grocery stores don’t exist.

          • Jethro

            Funny that you had a hard time getting that but 200 years ago right here in America, millions would have agreed right away. But you are totally correct to recognize that there are still many places that live by the garden and livestock they raise. Many are getting back to it that can. you can do it in small pots.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Even funnier, I come from farming stock (so to speak) and I wasn’t getting it, maybe because my mind was elsewhere. My maternal grandmother was the first to marry a “townie,” and she was never allowed to forget it. But, she caught the grocer’s eye and so the marriage was arranged accordingly, with mutual benefits in mind on both sides. (Granny was born back in 1899. She really did walk to school a long distance in the snow because the horses were needed for working.)

            I remember when parts of St. Louis started going downhill. One of the first things to leave were fast food places, followed closely by the convenience stores and then the grocery stores. It was almost as if there was an effort to starve the people out of their neighborhoods. And I believe it was racially motivated. What stayed? The hole-in-the-wall bars. I personally prefer farmer’s markets, which I could get to in St. Louis but which are hard to find here. Lots of fruit stands, usually filled with citrus fruits, but not so much any veggies.

            Here, because of the way my trailer is situated, I’d not only have to grow my crops in pots, but indoors. I may live in the Sunshine State, but my lot sees little of it due to large trees, no back yard, and no side yards. And we’re not allowed to grow veggies in the front (it’s even in the lease—maybe they think it looks tacky?), just flowers and even those have to be approved of in writing.

            But, I’ve been looking into how I could at least grow some fresh herbs indoors (I love fresh basil and chives and parsley). Apparently if I changed a lightbulb where I’d choose to grow them, it just might work. One of my goals on my ever growing list. 😀

            Love and Blessings Always,
            ~Annie

  • Patrick Gannon

    (I’m going to assume capitalized words are for emphasis, and otherwise retain their dictionary meanings, although I’m pretty sure the intent is to redefine some of these words to mean something Neale wants them to mean that is at least a little different from their original meaning).

    “We are all One. All things are One Thing. There is only One Thing, and all things are part of the One Thing There Is. This means that you are Divine. You are not your body, you are not your mind, and you are not your soul. You are the unique combination of all three, which comprises the Totality Of You. You are an individuation of Divinity; an expression of God on Earth.”

    Hmm, we are all made of stardust. We’re all made of the same basic elements, but there are more than one of those basic elements – unless perhaps we get to strings. The universe started off with Helium and Hydrogen, so perhaps We Are All Two.

    We might be strings at our core. We don’t know for sure, yet, but that could be a Oneness of sorts. How else might we be One? We’re all part of the same universe. We humans are all part of the same genome. In what other sense are we all One? Flowery words, but what does it really mean?

    Moving on, we challenge logic. Even if we accept that (A) we are all one, and (B) all things are one thing and (C) there is only one thing and (D) all things are part of the one thing there is, it doesn’t necessarily follow that we are (E) Divine. Going back to logic class, assuming I remember anything at all – this would be mapped out: IF A, and B, and C, and D, THEN E. Note first of all that this is an unsupported claim. It’s incomplete. First you have to prove ABCD, but even then, that doesn’t necessarily prove that E follows, unless E is simply a word used to mean ABCD, and in that case, it wouldn’t be IF ABCD THEN E, it would be ABCD IS E; but that’s not what Neale said. It would still be an unsupported claim, but he said, “this means you are divine.” That’s an IF/THEN statement. No it does not mean you are divine. Not until you prove ABCD and demonstrate that E necessarily follows. It’s gobbledygook, apparently intended to mislead and confuse.

    I’m told that I am not my body, mind or soul, I am the combination of all three – and yet I am One thing, because there is only One thing, as we just learned. So I guess I’m three things that are One thing, like the Catholic trinity concept. Let’s say I accept that. I’m the combination of three things, two of which I know are not leaving this plane of existence – my body and my mind, because the mind can’t exist without a certain part of the body. So what happens to my soul, and why should I care? Of course, the immaterial soul part of this trinity has no impact on our natural world, as confirmed by the completion of the core theory of physics, so the soul is moot, at least till we die – and the other two parts are staying here – so we are dead, dead, dead, because Neale says we are the combination of all three, and that trinity breaks when we die. I expect everyone here will agree that at least one of those pieces isn’t going anywhere, and our mind is dependent on our brains, so it’s not going anywhere either – so we do indeed die given that he’s defining us as the combination of all three and two of the pieces are being split off from the soul. If I understand Neale, some nebulous, immaterial soul thing goes off to do whatever soul things do, but why should we care? Without our minds, “we” won’t be going for the ride. Rene Descartes gave us Cartesian dualism – body and soul – and he could never answer the question – how does the soul push around the body? Adding another component doesn’t help answer that question.

    Translating to natural world terms, perhaps I’m an individuation of a collection of strings (?), (or something else that potentially lies below the quantum layer), and we’re going to label this as yet unknown thing, if it exists, “Divine” because we’re all made of it. OK. If you insist. I don’t like changing definitions willy nilly. I prefer “strings,” assuming that’s what we discover. I don’t see how labeling some potential basic unit of energy/matter as “Divine” (of, from, or like a god), helps do anything but confuse the issue (which is the ultimate New Age goal, of course!). It’s like defining “God” as everything,. We already have a word for “everything.” It’s called “everything.”

    To summarize we have nothing here but unsupported claims, and a deplorable lack of logic.

    • Craig

      I tried finding a proper meaning for soul and other than a claim as being the inner being, I only discovered that soul in ancient works refer to what we call lifestyle today… While the soul of animals seem to be there blueprint or blood.
      The again allegorical speaking when soul is in blood it could refer to passion, cause or purpose.
      To harmonize all living creatures exist since the beginning of this world. The only thing that interfered with this harmony is individuals self jusitifaction.
      Neale could be onto something he may just need to make it know and here and not oneness but rather similarity in purpose…

      • Jethro

        Have you ever stated that an action or a statement just “Wasn’t You”? Your soul is making that statement about your mind.

        • Craig

          Jethro I think that is sixth sense and not soul, if you said it was the spirit or life in me I would also agree…

          • Jethro

            What’s the difference? Spirit, life force, soul?

          • Patrick Gannon

            No difference. They are all woo.

            The word “soul” in the bible, originally meant “breath of life,” as I recall, but life is a process, not a force.

          • Craig

            And God blew the breath of life in their nostril and man become a living being…
            Soul only came about way later…
            Life is what that mysterious atomic energy sent through our vains.
            Lifestyle is what we create by focussing life…
            Spirit seems to imply the same principle as breath of life.
            So spirit for me is breath
            Life is using or focussing the use of this breadth
            Soul would then be the result of the focussed actions…

            Just my take.

          • Jethro

            6th sense… the 5 physical senses are sight, hearing, taste, smell, touch. The 6th is intuition. Intuition is experience based. When we have enough experience in our lives where something produces nearly the same outcome multiple times, it appears that we can sense the future sometimes or know the outcome of something before the outcome exists. Occasionally even when we believe we have never had the experience.
            When we become, let’s say angry, a fear based emotion, we don’t use our reasoning very well and we may over react to something. We might say something we wouldn’t say during a love emotion like happy, or content.
            The human has been broken down or separated into several triunes, mind, body, and soul, in this case. The soul handles the “who we are”, the body sends signals of desire to the mind without concern for the soul. The mind reacts to both desires of the body and the desires of the soul. The magic trick…the illusion, is this. The triune is the brain. The brain is the body, the mind, and the soul… the totality of who we are. Without the brain, none of it is recognized as physical beings. Will the soul separate itself at death and move on? That’s the religious/spiritual argument. The entire religious battle is based on what happens after death and we only have an understanding of that based on unprovable rumors. Things told to us by another human, whether verbally or in writing. We are told the writing was divine guidance or the hand of God.
            Early man was taking a stab at psychology in my opinion. “Don’t be afraid of death… if you follow these rules of kindness and sharing, you get to live forever in paradise! Oh Really? Please tell me more!!” And the stories began. But what’s the honest to God truth? Nobody really knows. But we are killing each other to sustain one common answer. Our soul goes to heaven? We enter through gates of pearl following a street of gold? Eternity becomes an eternity without concern? We get 40 virgins… wait!! We become hell for 40 virgins? Hmmm… So, we will still have sexual concerns and prize pearls and gold? I can have all of that while alive, here and now, in a place I have experience and can prove exists because I’m here. Yet I’m supposed to deny those things to get into heaven… Tell me again, what’s my soul going to do?

            I guess it’s depends on who you ask… where’s the truth in that?

          • Craig

            Who declared that humans are triune… Not the scriptures phycologists trying to explain a cognitive split personality…
            100% present on sixth sense but I need to add knowledge, muscle memory and observation play a far greater role than intuition…
            No the post mosianic religions look for something after death and that was only after Christianity claimed they knew more than the Jews. Nonbelievers trying to convince believers they know more. Look at our discussions and views on this blog will always differ we can only argue what we know…
            We agree in principle thank you for sharing.

          • Jethro

            Who declared the triune? Something to think about. You’ve given me a couple things to think about. Argue, no. I just made a statement. Agree and disagree we will for sure. That’s ok.
            I did state: It all depends on who you ask

          • Craig

            Argue here was intended as a general statement of debate… Language literacy barrier on my side…

          • Jethro

            “Language literacy barrier on my side…” Craig, I have one of those barriers too lol. To a fault. I really think that the language barrier is cause for some of the debates to begin with, not necessarily the subjects in some cases. I’ve included here some statements of Mind Body and Soul (a triune) from what appears to be scripture in some part.

            The Body (Greek, “soma”)
            This is the entire material or physical structure of a human being — it is the physical part of a person.
            The Apostle Paul, writing to the Romans again connects the body, the mind (soul) and the spirit.
            Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect (Romans 12:1-2 NASB).
            For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body (1 Cor. 6:20).
            The Soul (Greek, “psyche”)
            Genesis 2:7 states that Man was created as a “living soul.” The soul consists of the mind (which includes the conscience), the will and the emotions. The soul and the spirit are mysteriously tied together and make up what the Scriptures call the “heart.”
            The writer of Proverbs declares, ” Watch over your heart with all diligence, for from it flow the springs of life.” (Prov. 4:23 NASB). We see here that the “heart” is central to our emotions and will.
            But a natural (psuchikos — soulish) man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (1 Cor. 2:14 NASB).
            Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, “Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day” (Acts 23:1 NASB).
            The Spirit (Greek ” Pneuma”)
            In Numbers 16:22, Moses and Aaron, “…fell upon their faces and said, ‘O God, God of the spirits of all flesh, when one man sins, will you be angry with the entire congregation?'” This verse names God as the God of the spirits that are possessed by all humanity. Notice also that it mentions the flesh (body) of all mankind, connecting it with the spirit.

            Another key verse that describes the separation between soul and spirit is Hebrews 4:12:
            For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart (Heb. 4:12 NASB).
            We see in this passage of Scripture that the soul and spirit can be divided — and that it is the Word of God that pierces our heart to bring the division of soul and spirit, something that only God can do.
            As human beings, we live eternally as a spirit, we have a soul, and we dwell in a body. We can rejoice with the Psalmist and declare,
            For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, and my soul knows it very well (Ps. 139:13-14 NASB).
            Information from (http://www1.cbn.com/questions/what-are-the-three-parts-of-man)

          • Craig

            What happened to my respond???
            Jethro a site I like using is skipmoen

            You can read and research there Author is more accurate than wikipedia and other Christian based religious sites… Unfortunately no commenting permitted unless you financially contribute to the sites research and maintenance…

          • Jethro

            How does a person know a person speaking about religion is more accurate than another? I see Wikipedia as a decent starting point for sometimes basic information.

          • Craig

            I guess that would be based on their unbiased openness to accept alternative views contrary to existing norms…

          • Patrick Gannon

            Keep in mind that all this soul, spirit, mind, consciousness stuff is of this world, and only this world.

          • Kristen

            In this world actually, we are dead, in a coma or no different to other primates without a soul, spirit and mind.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Too bad you feel that way, because the chances that you get another chance are infinitesimally small.

            Please don’t associate the “mind” with the imaginary soul or spirit. The mind is a well studied, emergent quality of the brain. There is evidence for a mind.

          • Jethro

            Yes, of this world and of the brain. Once again, I was talking to Craig. Did you read the string?
            Whoops, “Keep in mind”?… Don’t you mean keep in brain?

          • Kristen

            LOL

          • Patrick Gannon

            Yeah. Just trying to keep you on the right side of the fence! Grin.

          • Jethro

            Got my back!? I can dig it.

          • Jethro

            I’m also guessing that Jesus rising from the dead and his ascension made an impact on those thoughts.

          • Craig

            Now we are going to differ. Yeshua is a lifestyle applying the pneuma. And it is this that is deemed a rising from the dead. From a non productive life concerning the basic principles that shape, further and help societies prosper into an active life contributing to these… The ten commandments in action…

            So yes, it did impact. Think of David’s proclamation we are made fractionally lower than heavenly beings… Adam toil the earth, Eve support Adam… Mankind work to make a difference. Human kind keep your knowledge preparation aligned with your intended toiling…

            Chinese proverb Control your mind or be controlled by its wondering thoughts.

            African proverb If you want to go fast go alone, if you want to go far go together.

          • Jethro

            “Now we are going to differ.” I didn’t see how we differed there.
            Both proverbs are awesome and true.

          • Patrick Gannon

            You’re being facetious, right? Nobody has ever risen from the dead.

          • Jethro

            I have never witnessed it.

          • Kristen

            I have, I drowned as a baby, would you like the newspaper clippings as proof? In red roof lead, real dead, a limp blue toddler. Divine intervention as well, an off duty cop was nearby who had just learned cpr in 1971!

          • Patrick Gannon

            You weren’t “dead” or you wouldn’t be here. It turns out that brains can last longer without O2 than we used to think, and babies probably have even more efficient self-protection systems to shut down their metabolism and save the oxygen for the brain. If you happened to fall into very cold water, you can last quite a while without oxygen.

          • Jethro

            “being facetious” I was making a statement related to Craig’ post, “the post messianic religions look for something after death and that was only after Christianity claimed they knew more than the Jews. Nonbelievers trying to convince believers they know more.”
            Did you read the string?

          • Patrick Gannon

            Yeah, just a little confused as to whether you believed this or were quoting it as support material.

            Your response, “I have never witnessed it,” was perfect!

          • Jethro

            Thought you would like that. Abraham and I have a bit in common at the moment. No proof yet for Jethro. Though I picked up a combo propane wood burning range… propane and wood cook top with wood fired oven. It was a miracle I got it! Had a lot of related feeling to it anyway.

          • Patrick Gannon

            I bought an emergency grill like that years ago. It can use charcoal, wood or propane – might be the same thing you have. I was a bit of a “prepper” back when I had a family to take care of, and stocked up food, water and a few things like that. I’ve never actually used it. Let me know how it works.

          • Jethro

            I’m more of an antique collector actually. Vickie collects oil burning lamps, has over 200 of them. I have one rule to keep from getting rediculous, it has to work and I have to be able to use it. The range will be a great addition to my garage kitchen. Aka, the ice storm kitchen. We have natural gas where we live now so the emergency isn’t really there but the next place I’m looking at is propane, well water, and wood stove again. So it will all have greater purpose again in the prepper category.

          • Patrick Gannon

            So you can use this as a heater and a stove top! That’s cool. Must be quite a bit bigger than the grill I have. When we lose power in the winter (ice storms mostly), we sleep in front of the wood stove, but you can’t cook on it, as it’s a fireplace insert, without much of a cooking surface. I bring in a propane camping grill, or cook on the grill on the porch.

            Normally, the stove has a fan to circulate the heat, and it can really heat up the room. When the electricity is out there’s no fan, but I found this cool little fan in a catalog that you set on the wood stove. The base sits on the heat source and there are cooling fins at the top, and the potential between the heat and the cold, creates electricity that drives a small electric motor that turns a fan to circulate the heat. It’s not very powerful, but it moves the air around. I loved the technology. Google “heat powered stove fan.”

          • Jethro

            It’s actually an antique muti-fuel kitchen stove/range. Charcoal, coal, wood, with 4 propane burners on top. The heater fan that your talking about is something that I’ve been looking at, but was never sure how well it would work. It works the same as the thermocouple. With your recommendation I may go ahead and get one. I have a little pot belly in the living room with two plates for cooking, but it’s for heat, with coal or wood. Mostly unused because we have natural gas here. The shakers in both stoves are in great shape!

          • Patrick Gannon

            I’ll be honest – they don’t move a lot of air, but some movement is better than none. I used to have two of them, but slammed one with the vacuum and broke it. My girlfriend says I’m full of hot air, so no fan needed!

          • Jethro

            Any fan would be a small token as Vickie keeps every fan in the house going. We’re at that age that she’s sweating and I’m shivering quite often. Vickie says I to am full of hot air but it’s in self defense. I’m going to let her know that next she says so! the wood stove in the shop is an old insert with a circulation fan, I’ve yet light a fire in it due to storage. Downsizing isn’t an easy chore. I have maybe one more move and that’s where they can bury my dead carcass.

          • Kristen

            Haha, Im being nosy, I thought my 12 oil lamps was bad! Go Vickie!

          • Jethro

            She loves her lamps! 4 or 5 full size wicks will heat up or sustain the heat in a room. early mornings, I use a duplex lamp (Ship lamp) to fix coffee because it’s not too bright…. like me.

          • Kristen

            Haha.
            Cute story. When one of my nana’s died a couple of years ago we headed down for her funeral and were basically told to take whatever we wanted. Well, everyone except me because I wanted her 100 year old house doors with handles so high I couldnt reach them until I was about 8, her working coal range, the claw bath, her mantlepiece above the pot belly, the 80 year old organ and her stained glass window…all a bit tricky to get on a plane and slightly impractical to destroy the house (especially since NZ is two main islands so you cant even just drive the 18 hours).
            My uncle took my then 15year old son out to the shed to choose some tools for his brother and himself, all my grandads old ones which they did, but my son came back in proudly carrying a 90 year old oil lamp that had been in my nanas family, high country sheep farmers (google Guide Hill Tekapo).
            He had fallen in love with it, boy I guard that with my life! My brother in law was livid, he had wanted the old tools and lamp, eyeing them up for years!
            I never light anything in the house, although I complain at the cold all winter, it rarely gets below 5degc at night so a big oil fin heater does the whole house, just on for 4 hours a night.
            Im fire and gas paranoid, wont touch either, even my bbq is old school brick well away from the house, but we do have a gas one the boys use on the driveway.

          • Jethro

            That place looks desolate. I’m sure the old tools are something to cherish and the lamp too. I would have been trying to get the same stuff as you. Gas isn’t as dangerous as people are told but it can kill so its over warned to make people paranoid. Fire is only as dangerous as the person controlling it so fear of it could be a bad thing.
            So, is the oil lamp glass or brass? does it have a name on it?

          • Kristen

            Hi ya,
            Yip Guide Hill sure is desolate, the gravel road its on is a 40min drive alone, now in the hands of Hong Kong ‘investors’ as Merino wool is worth a fortune. Nana was raised there, one of 11 kids…poor gran!
            Will look at the lamp after work, its glass. My oldest one. I collect old first aid kits too, just a few but military, old ships, an old ambulance etc. …theyre a challenge to find still equipped but insanely cool and different.
            Take care,
            K

          • Jethro

            There are many treasures to be had, but the only treasure is the one that we believe to be a treasure. I will keep an eye out and we can trade info if needed. I don’t run into many if any. 1st aid kits are far and between here. Metal boxes I assume? American army would be here anyway, collectible to someone who lived in new Zealand maybe. I keep Band-Aids, gauze, duct tape, and three in one ointment in my own kit. I’ll let you know if I find any.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Actually (not to get pedantic!), there are more than five senses. I think the number is now 10, but I’d have to check to be sure. There are other senses like hunger, the need to sleep, thirst, etc. These and others have been defined as senses in addition to the five we were all taught in school.

          • Jethro

            Good morning Pat, been a while since I studied all of that. It makes sense to me though. I’ve probably been laughed at for making statements that I was sensing hunger in the force or Sensing a need to go to bed. It was of course meant as humor, but now it turns out I was telling the truth.

          • Craig

            And they all impact on the way we respond to any specific situation… If I may add Patrick

    • Jethro

      “Hmm, we are all made of stardust” Do stars produce dust?

      • Patrick Gannon

        Absolutely! Stars produce everything. Initially the universe consisted of Hydrogen and Helium and gravity pulled these elements into balls that became so massive, that under the pressure of gravity, they began chemical reactions that produced heat and photons (light). In giving off photons and electrons, and banging these basic particles into each other under extreme conditions – new particles were formed. This is what we do in the large hadron collider. The heat in the center of suns creates some of the basic elements that pervade our universe. I could try to explain this, but it gets a bit technical and if you’re really interested I can give you a good book to read to better understand it. When these suns burn out and explode, they spew their contents into the universe, where gravity once again pulls them together and starts up new stars. Stars are the factory for the “stuff” of which we are made. Without them, we would not be here.

        The heavier elements at the other end of the periodic table, carbon, iron, platinum, gold, etc. can only be formed under much more extreme circumstances than a typical star can offer. They are produced by supernovas. There are nowhere near as many supernovas as normal suns, so that is why these heavy elements are rare. If I remember the numbers, a typical galaxy produces a couple supernovas per century. If we had to depend on supernovas in our own galaxy, we’d be screwed – we wouldn’t be here. But there are billions of galaxies, and if you look into the heavens, you can find a supernova or two every night, and over billions of years, these supernovas have produced the elements that allow our solar system, and us, to exist.

        So, yes – everything is made of stardust. You may recall the old song by Crosby, Stills Nash & Young….”We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon, / and we got to get ourselves back to the garden.”

        • Jethro

          I was being a smart a$$ and learned something. Literally laughed out loud. Thank you. It makes sense… a lot of sense.

  • Spiritual_Annie

    I’ve read these 1,000 words many times, and helped spread them, in whole and in part. I find them inspirational and motivational. They are part of why I am a Spiritual Activist.

    That doesn’t mean that I agree with everything single word as put forth, but that most match the Spirituality I began developing as I was undergoing an intense healing process, and which have borne themselves out to be true in my own life. It has been, for me, a process to come to believe in these concepts rather than a lightning bolt experience.

    I now like to express my own Trinity, for example, as my Soul emerging from, yet still being part of and consisting of, the Divine Energy that some call God (by any name). In the same way, my physical body emerges from, yet is still part of and consisting of, Divine Energy. In this way, I conceive of all consisting of Divine Energy, from which all things emerge. It’s this that connects all of existence. For myself, I also believe it’s this Divine Energy that carries our memories and our knowledge and consciousness itself.

    “In the spiritual sense, there are no victims and no villains in the world, although in the human sense it appears that there surely are. Yet because you are Divine, nothing can happen against your will.” This is one of the concepts that I didn’t have the words for but which I’ve long believed. People have experiences that they call “good” or “bad” or “right” or “wrong” or even “kind” or “unkind,” and in doing so set up a victim/villain framework. Yet there is no one definition of any of these that stands true over a lifetime or in all societies or circumstances.

    “Your life has nothing to do with you. It is about everyone whose life you touch, and how you touch it.” I have to remind myself of this, even though my Mama served as an example of this for me from when I was born until the day she passed over. I was amazed at the people affected by her passing beyond just family and friends—bank tellers, store clerks, co-workers, hospital staff, and more. Of course, I have requirements in the human sense (I have to pay my electric bill or it will be turned off, I have to find ways to provide food for myself or my physical body won’t survive, etc.), but even these things can be done while supporting Nature and while also uplifting others (where I choose to get my electricity from, how I treat those I encounter while I pay my bills). It means paying attention, and sometimes monumental effort, but I believe that it improves the quality of life overall. I’m certainly not perfect at remembering or expressing these ideas, but I am able to do it more precisely and consistently than I used to.

    In my experience, with all that’s going on in our world politically, militarily, economically, ecologically—these things cause many to cling to their own desires and beliefs all the more strongly because it at least allows them to feel they have a rudder in the storm. What many may not understand is that we are powerful beings who can change the chaos we see around us with our own thoughts, words and actions. We can stop the storm itself, by first starting with ourselves so that we can be an example for others.

    I also like the hope of the final statement that we have the ability to change our world in a single generation. The question remains whether we will choose to do so.

    Love and Blessings Always,
    ~Annie

    • Patrick Gannon

      How does ‘divine energy,’ whatever that is, connect all things together…. specifically.

      • Spiritual_Annie

        As I’ve had to say to you over and over and over again, I don’t know the specifics of how everything in the physical and nonphysical realms work. I don’t need to in order for them to add value to my life, or my Spirituality.

        • Patrick Gannon

          LOL. Well don’t feel too bad. Nobody knows anything about non physical realms, because there are no such things. On the other hand, we understand with exquisite detail and beauty, the physical things that make up our natural world. Why isn’t this magnificent world enough for you?

          • Kristen

            I can answer that…because our faith, souls and ‘invisible’ things in our lives are just as beautiful with exquisite detail, just like imaginations, but real. We get lost in fiction, writing, our gifts and many other things that have no requirements other than our existance, especially when the best aspects of the physical world arent readily accessible for everyone to enjoy. Physical aspects are no where as stimulating or interesting anyway!

          • Patrick Gannon

            Ah, we may have a difference in definitions here. When I referred to non-physical realms, I meant gods, souls, fields of consciousness or other woo. If by realm of the non-physical, we refer to our consciousness (which emerges from the physical), then, I whole-heartedly agree that this can be a magical place.

  • Raphael

    Where is the voice on the women while this childish saber rattling keeps going on between two mentally challenged world leaders, who are truly a mirror reflection of each other?

    The mothers and daughters of the world need to join their voices and tell these two wannabe men that if they feel like having a ridiculous pissing contest, they can do it in private…but they have absolutely no right, none, to risk even one single life in the name of their idiotic, cocky posturing.

    During the 19th century, there was once a war problem among the great lakes Indians…the men were bent on fighting, and the women got tired of it, but the men wouldn’t listen…so the women withdrew sex until the men saw fit to listen to their women. Imagine today’s slogans with a new twist: No justice no sex…No peace no sex…etc.

    • Kristen

      Good points…Im gonna email both Trump and the crazy Korean right now and tell them I aint shagging them any more!

      • Raphael

        Good move, I knew I would inspire you.

        • Kristen

          As always.
          Now I’m a hero, I’ve saved the world, and didnt even need a movie to show me how to do it. Booyah!!!

          • Raphael

            More moldy frybread is on the way…nothing is too good for such a hero!

          • Kristen

            I know, they dont call me Saint Kirsty for nothing.
            Keep the supplies rolling in, yesterdays arrived today, perfect. Never seen this one before…please tell me the brown bits are dates and the white bits rice bubbles?

          • Raphael

            No no the brown bits are rat droppings and the white bits are pieces of plaster…for roughage. Don’t tell me you don’t like rat droppings…everyone I know loves rat droppings sprinkled in their bread or cereal, or miso soup.

          • Kristen

            Yip, love them. As you said, who doesnt. Since we’re back on this recipe exchange site, they’re great in cookies as well, basically anything that calls for sultanas or choc chips. In Californian speak, chocolate is sort of like carob but has flavour, close to rat droppings.
            Thought the white bits were familiar. My downstairs rumpus room ceiling has luuurvly 80s glitter sprayed asbestos plaster, now that stuffs good if you’re just used to the common cheap stuff.

    • Spiritual_Annie

      Some of us make our opinions known, regularly. My political representatives hear from me nearly daily. Including the man-boy who currently holds the position of our President. So do local and national news outlets, both print and televised. The problem might be that they’re not listening, which I find common in zealots of all kinds. They’re certain they’re right and so do not accept any worldview other than what they choose.

      Maybe we should be writing to their relationship partners, instead, so that there’s at least the possibility of being heard.

    • Spiritual_Annie

      When you get a chance, Google PoliticalEdu. Interesting article on “chimpanzee politics,” though their copywriter could use a brush up on grammar.

      • Raphael

        Good article…authoritarianism is spreading worldwide once again, and in my view this is linked to fear…to uncertainty in the face of several global crisis (environmental, economic, etc)…the fearful always run to what appears to be rock solid to them: “law and order” strongmen type of leaders, rigid religious dogma, rigid political ideologies…and of course guns.

        • Spiritual_Annie

          I thought you might enjoy it. And I agree with you. Fear has now actually been built into many of our systems, from politics to governance (there’s a difference) to health care to the military to social services… When one’s not sure whether one will have even food and shelter (whether due to competition or the economy or disability or the advancement of technology), people want reassurances. In my opinion, that’s precisely how Trump was elected—by playing on people’s fears, and giving them people to blame using negative stereotypes. Promises and lies.

          Love and Blessings Always,
          ~Annie

  • Patrick Gannon

    There was little conversation regarding my deconstruction of Neale’s first point, so let me comment on the last one:

    “Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

    Even back when I was a CwG true believer, I always thought this was one of the most idiotic things I had ever heard. If it’s not a better way, why on earth should anyone change?

    If I walk into a sales call and tell the client. My product isn’t any better than anyone else’s. It’s “merely” another “also ran.” What do you think the chances are that the client will buy my product? Why should they change? My charming personality?

    Tell me why this isn’t one of the dumbest things Neale has ever written.

    • Craig

      Patrick the same view can be made for the claims of living on another planet, warping between planets…
      How far is the closest planet to earth?
      How long will it take us to get there?
      Will we function the same as humans then or will it all be mental cognitive thoughts… As I hear some evolutionists proclaim…

      • Patrick Gannon

        Sorry I don’t understand your point.

        • Craig

          Patrick in short predictions of the future are just as reliable and trust worthy as total woo.

          Some woo and proven science may support each other. And even further the principles of the other. Total woo is the same as blind science they just do not find support very easily.

          Science fiction has supported scientific evolution the same as woo has supported cognitive evolution and self worth…

          Now the question how long will it take us with today’s technology to travel to an inhabitable planet? Closest guess is most probably around 900 000 life years…

          Now we we have evolved from scavengers to peaceful neighbours in just over 120 000 years. How will we be in 900 000???
          Do we have the means to do this? If not these are all unfounded scenarios.
          It is nice gesture but worth nothing.

          Now the super fast probes… Well hopefully in 40 years time someone will follow-up and measure the results… Nice worthless information.

          Has a positive and focussed activity to acknowledge an entity greater than humankind shaped humanity to the better, not withstanding all the genocide and unthinkable actions in the name of this being. Answer yes. So is it a worthy life principle?80% of the time yes. The other reality just focussing on our actions will help us a long way…

          Faith is accepting the possibility of something better and trusting that it will manifest as long as we continue doing that what we know is right. Wait but that is a science a measurable action… Not woo but patience and consistency.

          • Patrick Gannon

            “Patrick in short predictions of the future are just as reliable and trust worthy as total woo.”

            Not in science. In science if you have a theory, it is supposed to make predictions; and if the predictions don’t come true – then you have woo.

            The theory of evolution predicted that we would find a number of features in the fossil record. Over time, those predictions were born out. Particle physics made the prediction decades ago that there was a Higgs boson. It took years, but they found it. Einstein theorized that space time would bend light around the sun. Researchers proved that it does. Theories must make predictions, or they have no value. If the predictions don’t come true – then we have no theory.

            We may be able to terraform Mars – there are several proposals on the table – so that we can “make” a habitable planet nearby. The issue you point out with the speed of light, is the biggest problem the UFO folks have.

            “Has a positive and focussed activity to acknowledge an entity greater than humankind shaped humanity to the better, not withstanding all the genocide and unthinkable actions in the name of this being. Answer yes.”

            I would suggest that the net has been negative – bad for society, rather than good for society. If the Church hadn’t stymied progress for so long, we might be way ahead of where we are now.

            Faith is pretending to know things we don’t know. It’s lying to ourselves. I trust the scientific process because it’s been demonstrated to work better than anything else in human existence, but I don’t have “faith” in it.

          • Kristen

            Is there anything you dont blame God or scriptures for?

          • Patrick Gannon

            How do you blame something that doesn’t exist (god) for anything? I don’t blame unicorns for tearing up my garden.

            I do blame scriptures for millenia of needless pain, agony, shame, guilt, fear, hatred, oppression, murder, war, discrimination, sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. You bet I do. Absolutely.

          • Craig

            Just a reminder that if we trust the scriptures to reflect some natural truth concerning history we need to read it as intended for the culture of the time recorded… That is the tough part.
            For this reason Patrick I have to agree with what you once commented, a lot of the scripture can be made-up folklore for whatever reason was behind the creating of the records…
            Just a question I have, if God was communicating through the prophets of old, we can agree that the essence of the message should be the same as God is claimed to be the same… Then how do today’s believers so easily accept alternative views?

    • Raphael

      Idiotic thing, dumbest thing? Patrick, I thought you did not like insults? Only when you dish them out are insults acceptable to you?

      Or are you just desperate for attention, even negative attention?

      • Patrick Gannon

        I insulated the idea. Neale has insulted me in the past. I am only insulting this ridiculous idea.

        • Raphael

          Ideas have feelings too…

    • Kristen

      I think its a disclaimer, like pointing out that ‘Conversations with God’ may not be with God. His books seem to be full of disclaimers, and I completely agree with it. Both from a world of crazies and sheep who may believe it all and act in ways he indicates are not wrong or evil, and from a responsibility perspective where he is at least being honest saying he doesnt know himself, rather than a crazy dictator who believed it all himself.
      Obviously another way indicates a way for individuals that want something different to other teachings.
      Re your first comment…sometimes people just arent interested in discussing what you want to, thats human nature. I personally rarely answer your questions, they just arent of interest to me, or you are so fixed in your own ideas that its pointless.
      K

  • Mateia Andrei (A true friend)

    “Yet because you are Divine, nothing can happen against your will”
    That is a lie. A lot of things that I haven’t chosen have happen againts my will. You might say that part of me has chosen that experience at a diffrent level of counciosness to wich I reply that the parg of me that has betrayed deserve to completly alterned by me in perfect image as I currently am. You may say that having diffrent choices made by other parts of me might bring me my life purpose or hapiness to which I wish to inform you I don’t care about happiness or my life purpose and care only about my small littleself objectives.
    Stop lying Neale. It’s not a very Godly thing to do!

    • Patrick Gannon

      Well said.

      On the other hand,,,, how much free will do we actually have? Almost certainly not as much as we think we do.

      Every faith based movement has to deal with the problem of evil. Why do bad things happen to good people. Neale’s response is that we choose to do these evil things to ourselves to advance our soul’s agenda. I say, screw that soul. My body and mind aren’t going anywhere, so I don’t care about that soul.

      • Kristen

        I agree with that one, Im 100% opposed to reincarnation and the paths chosen by these souls, that the conscious person, or latest hologram they created has to follow.
        Whats the cause of all suffering on Earth…reincarnation!

        • Patrick Gannon

          I didn’t say anything about reincarnation. Not sure how you derived this. There are no souls, or if there are, they have nothing to do with our world.

          • Kristen

            Thats what Neale talks about in reference to chosen paths, nothing happening we havnt consented for and freewill, what Mateia was referring to, as well as this thread Neale wrote.

      • Raphael

        We have free will when we have a free mind. Free your mind and you will have free will. As long as you see yourself as a “victim” of your environment or of your upbringing and social conditioning, tossed around like a cork in the sea, you have neither a free mind nor free will.
        To have a free mind, you have to go to the source of the mind, and reject everything else. What is the “I” in you? What is its nature and identity?
        What does “I am” mean? That’s what you have to investigate yourself, not by operating on your own brain like a mad surgeon (put these scalpels and electrodes down!), but psychologically and “spiritually”, and through deep meditative introspection.

        • Mateia Andrei (A true friend)

          Frank jealous of Jeff’s nice cave.
          Frank kill Jeff and take cave.
          Goodbye Jeff.

          Jeff: Now Frank. I think objectivity is key here.
          Jeff dead. The end.

        • Patrick Gannon

          Nice post. I was really thinking about the concept of determinism, which if true, means all our actions were essentially determined at the Big Bang. I find that idea difficult to accept, as do most people. The indeterminism of quantum mechanics, may be the door that leaves open free will. It may be that like “consciousness,” it’s a convenient way of talking about emergent qualities. It might be like “temperature” which is also an emergent quality. None of the tiny particles that make up your body have any temperature – only some tiny amount of energy, but the combination of all of the presents the emerged quality of temperature, that says at 102 degrees, you have a bad fever.

          There is some growing evidence that the brain might have some qualities of a quantum computer, and when I think about your post, I imagine going into the quantum layer of indeterminism. Once we make a measurement, we know the outcome, but prior to that, we can not know; so maybe (and this is a huge maybe), going into meditative states, gets us to that pre-measurement stage in some strange way. I’m not sure I’ve heard anyone else express this idea, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

          It turns out that our brains create photons; they call them biophotons, created from various interactions in our brain. They have been thought to be superfluous, but some researchers recently determined that it was “possible” that the outer sheath of the axon, which carries the electrical currents that are generated when neurons fire, might also act as a “waveguide” (something we use in the satellite industry to carry radio frequency short distances). What this would mean, if it turns out that this actually happens, is that there might be another communications network in our brains, riding on top of the one we know about. It has been suggested by Roger Penrose, a very famous scientist that microtubules might carry quantum information, but he was thinking about electric signals – and perhaps there are optical signals active as well. Think of it this way. Your cable TV coax cable has a thin conductor in the middle, and it carries the TV and/or internet signal into your house. What if the outer coating, the insulation, was also carrying a completely different signal? (That’s probably not possible due to the materials, but in the brain – a material (white fatty substance) acting as a waveguide, might very well carry this other communications channel. It seems that it’s possible – we don’t know if it happens. The material was capable of passing photons, so that’s pretty cool.

          Note that all of this is still physical. It doesn’t do anything to advance the idea that there’s something outside of ourselves that we are communicating with. Indeed that’s not going to work with photons at all. If you put a flashlight on your forehead, none of those photons are going to make it into your brain, and likewise, any produced by your brain will not get out. (Hmm there could be exceptions. I suspect there are a significant number of people into whose ear you could inject a light, and it would come clear out the other side without encountering anything in between!)

        • Spiritual_Annie

          Very well put, my friend.

  • Patrick Gannon

    Let’s try another one:

    “Permit yourself to acknowledge that some of your old beliefs about God and about Life are no longer working.”

    This was confirmed on July 4, 2012 when the Higgs boson was announced, and with it the first chapter of the core theory, was completed – and it leaves no place for gods – so indeed some of our beliefs no longer work.

    “Explore the possibility that there is something you do not fully understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which would change everything.”

    Explore the science that debunks gods, souls, essential essences, etc., so that you can understand how our natural world works – and appreciate how amazing it is without any need for gods. This new scientific understanding, this completed chapter in the book of physics, will indeed change everything. It’s going to take a while because this is all new science that will be taught to our kids and grandkids. People didn’t start trusting Galileo when he said the earth went around the sun – heck it took the Church 200 years; but the change is coming, unless religionists can pull us back into the dark ages.

    “Announce that you are willing for new understandings of God and Life to now be brought forth, understandings that could produce a new way of life on this planet.”

    Indeed, giving science the credibility it deserves and the funding it needs to solve our problems, could produce a new way of life on this planet. Solving the energy crisis, obtaining depleted minerals and other elements from asteroids, giving brains power over prosthetics, using new drugs and techniques to eliminate PTSD and other mental health issues. We’re just getting started. Religions have had thousands of years, science a couple centuries, and many of the really significant advances have been in our lifetimes. God’s have had thousands of years to do these things, and failed. Time to bring in what actually works.

    “Courageously examine these new understandings and, if they align with your personal inner truth and knowing, enlarge your belief system to include them.”

    Actually with the new understanding you will find that belief systems are not to be trusted and should be avoided, in favor of evidence. The new understanding is not an easy one, though. Many of the physicists who discovered what our natural world can and cannot do, hoped very much to find a place for some kind of god – but alas, there is no such place within the core theory. This means when we die, we’re dead. This is all we get. Having the courage to find meaning and purpose in our lives without falling back on imaginary, invisible beings that live in the sky, is going to be a major challenge for many people – a much bigger challenge than Galileo’s proposal that the earth, and hence mankind, is not at the center of the universe. This part is going to be difficult. This part could use help from a writer like Neale, if he could abandon the woo and work towards helping people through this difficult time ahead.

    “Express your life as a demonstration of your highest beliefs, rather than as a denial of them.”

    Express your life by thinking instead of believing.

    • Kristen

      Or plan A, you dont believe Neale, just say that, much faster.
      I dont believe a lot of it either, no one has to, move on buddy!

    • Raphael

      Rather than obsessing about Neale, why don’t you write your own book Patrick? The universe is a big place, I am sure there is room for different points of view, and here is a bit of a secret: we don’t have to agree to get along and respect each other, and respect each other’s worldview. It’s call tolerance…the concept is rooted in freedom.

      • Kristen

        Obsessing….I dont have big enough balls to point that one out! Can you actually walk?
        Haha

      • Patrick Gannon

        I am working on my own book, but it primarily addresses the Abrahamic religions, however, maybe I could add another chapter….

        Raphael, you posted here not long ago about fundagelicals on a rampage against science, trying to tear down the wall between church and state, and I agreed wholeheartedly. You were very upset with their anti-science views, but Neale’s views are just as unscientific as theirs, and he is contributing to the dumbing down of America. He is creating anti-scientific views that reduce our competitiveness and squander the things we might have accomplished if youngsters had not been dissuaded from science careers by anti-science religions; and despite his denials, CwG IS a religion. It’s got religious tax exemption! Like other religions – it’s also a business. An anti-science business.

        You have taken on corrupt government, corporations, etc. as your cause; I’m entitled to my own. Fighting ignorance gives my life purpose.

        • Raphael

          I have many causes…I also fight windmills, Don Quixote style, in my spare time ha ha…

          • Spiritual_Annie

            “The Man of La Mancha” was my Mama’s favorite operatic recording.

            To dream the impossible dream
            To fight the unbeatable foe
            To bear with unbearable sorrow
            To run where the brave dare not go

            To right the unrightable wrong
            To love pure and chaste from afar
            To try when your arms are too weary
            To reach the unreachable star

            This is my quest, to follow that star,
            No matter how hopeless, no matter how far
            To fight for the right without question or cause
            To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause

            And I know if I’ll only be true to this glorious quest
            That my heart will lie peaceful and calm when I’m laid to my rest
            And the world will be better for this
            That one man scorned and covered with scars
            Still strove with his last ounce of courage
            To fight the unbeatable foe, to reach the unreachable star

            Songwriters: Joe Darion / Mitchell Leigh

            The Impossible Dream lyrics © Helena Music Company

            Thanks for the unexpected gift of a very pleasant memory. My Mama could have been an operatic singer, if she’d had the training. A high soprano whose voice never quavered hitting high C.

            Love and Blessings Always,
            ~Annie

        • Spiritual_Annie

          501(c)3 designation under tax laws indicates only that an organization is not-for-profit. It doesn’t indicate anything about religion.

          • Patrick Gannon

            Yes it does refer to religion. This designation is based on certain requirements. Here is the list of exempt purposes. You’ll see religion near the top of the list: I’ll be accused of being pedantic for pointing out your error – but so be it.

            “The exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3) are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and preventing cruelty to children or animals. The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening neighborhood tensions; eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.” (IRS Exempt Purposes Internal Revenue Code Section 501c3)

            Charitable and religious are the only pertinent options here. I’m sure he uses some form of “charity” as the justification, at least to his sheeple – but I think it’s pretty clearly a religion for all intents and purposes under this provision.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Obviously, you missed my point. A 501(c)(3) designation is not only for religious organizations.

            I do believe that the designation(s) in this case would include charity (such as outreach to prisoners—often the underprivileged, poor and distressed—beyond what other charitable donations he or his organizations may make), education as he’s informing people about another way of considering God and life, certainly literary as he’s produced many books, and he certainly promotes the prevention of cruelty to animals by promoting vegetarian diets (or at least eating animals in moderation).

            I would also argue that he’s attempting to eliminate prejudice and discrimination by tearing down the walls of dogma, not the religions or institutions themselves or the people who participate in them. Thus that phrase you insult so much: “We are all One. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

          • Patrick Gannon

            You said, “It doesn’t indicate anything about religion.” Yes it does.

            Done here.

          • Spiritual_Annie

            Taking one sentence out of context. How typical.

    • Kristen

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • Spiritual_Annie

        LOL!

  • Patrick Gannon

    Let’s go with a good one:

    “The purpose of your life is to recreate yourself anew in the next grandest version of the greatest vision ever you held about Who You Are.”

    The only purpose we have is that which we give ourselves, so Neale has no business telling others what their purpose should be; however I love this particular purpose for those individuals who embrace it. It doesn’t require any woo at all.

    • Jethro

      I can comment on this one. I don’t think Neale is telling anyone what to do in that statement as much as confirm what we are doing. I don’t know of anyone who purposely chooses to do the opposite.

      • Spiritual_Annie

        If I’m not mistaken, Neale has said this is what he was told, whether one believes it was from God or from his subconscious (which, in my view, is still from God). Has he applied it to his own life? Yes, he’s said that he has, and he’s benefitted from it. And yes, I think it speaks to those of us who are willing to see something more in ourselves as something were already doing.

        Unfortunately, I have met people who are unable to see farther than who they are in the moment, rather than reaching for becoming more. In his phraseology, I guess it could be said they’re stuck in a static vision about who they are and therefore have no grander version to attain.

        Love and Blessings Always,
        ~Annie

        • Jethro

          I think that people who maintain a stagnant attitude do so if what they are doing works for them, they are already doing what they consider the best they are, or they are being what someone else has told them to be, It’s falls into the statement… “No one does anything inappropriate, given their model of the world.” Given the possible perspectives of the model of our world, I see why so many people live in fear of the possibility of great change and others are pushing for it. It’s not that I personally see a need for fear, it’s just that I understand. I’m one of those who sees a need for change, and I’m seeing one for the better. Maybe because I’m looking for it on the street and not on the television.

          • Patrick Gannon

            That’s an interesting comment, and a hopeful one. Neale, like most religionists, is always full of doom and gloom, and with all the events on our screens, it’s easy to get discouraged. If we want to remove the doom and gloom, we have to believe what they tell us to believe – except it has never worked.

            One of the reasons I love science is because it keeps giving us new successes. It’s positive, uplifting, exciting; it fills us with anticipation and hope and promise. Will SpaceX land the first stage on a platform floating in the middle of the ocean? Will a baby hear for the first time as implants are placed in her ears? Will a patient with amputated limbs be able to move his prosthetic with his mind? Will the rape victim be relieved of her systems using MDMA and counseling? Will we discover cheap nuclear fusion and solve the energy crisis? Will we fly to asteroids to mine elements the earth is running out of? There’s just so much great stuff to motivate and excite.

            Nothing of that sort is found in religions and woo. I would suggest that the scientific process is the grandest version of the greatest vision ever we held about ourselves. Certainly nothing else in human history has led to such incredible triumphs.

          • Jethro

            It’s true there are many things happening for the positive in the area of science. I really enjoy your positive comments too. If we look at all the wonderful things happening around us it’s a lot easier to hold a better attitude about it all. when I was younger I wanted to design robotic limbs for amputees, It’s come further than I pictured and as far as I imagined. They are doing awesome things now.
            There are many ways humans find a way to face their days with a positive attitude. Whatever it takes, whatever works!

          • Spiritual_Annie

            I agree about people who are doing what works for them. Good point, which I missed.

            Some people fear any change, which is ironic as life always changes. Today is different from yesterday, as will be tomorrow. It’s how we handle change that I believe has the biggest impact on our outlook. Those who don’t handle change well live in fear of it. Those who adapt well to change can sometimes appreciate that it provides opportunities for growth and improvement—individually, for society and as a species. Instead of fear, one can feel hope, seeing chaos as the necessary birthing pains of something new and exciting.

            Personally, I choose hope much more often than fear. I see it in the people on the streets (even the homeless) as well as in current events such as the continued failures to repeal and replace the ACA with legislation that would hurt rather than help people. I see hope in the peaceful protests that are going on (not the handful of people who choose to take advantage of the situation to be destructive and violent), which seem to be happening everywhere, despite the militant response of law enforcement. I see hope in the numbers of people willing to look inside themselves to heal their own wounds and find deeper meanings in the events of their lives.

            Sometimes the media depicts man’s inhumanity to man because it boosts ratings. Having to deal with the aftermath of Hurricane Irma, I see a lot of people pulling together, helping each other whether they are friend or stranger, whether they are of the same ethnic background or religious affiliation. Humans helping humans. Now that’s a great vision!

            Love and Blessings Always,
            ~Annie

  • Patrick Gannon

    Slightly off-topic, but I just read through the weekly newsletter and in responding to someone’s question, Neale said:

    “Think of a particle of matter. How many times can you divide it before it disappears? The answer is: You cannot do this. You cannot cut any particle of matter in half until it goes away, until it is “nothing.” The two remaining particles, after each division, may get smaller and smaller, but they can never be made to go away. You have just taken a peek into the nature of Infinity. ”

    Infinity has nothing to do with it. Our universe is finite. It’s expanding, but it has an upper boundary.

    The analogy doesn’t really work because you can’t cut a fundamental particle in half and get two particles. What particle in particular is being referred to? Electrons? Leptons? Quarks? These fundamental particles cannot be further divided – unless perhaps it is into strings. In fact they aren’t really particles at all; they are vibrations in a field, and, they don’t exist in any particular place, but rather in a superposition of all possible positions – a state of indeterminacy that remains until the particle is measured. In other words – it disappears.

    • Patrick Gannon

      Interesting news has just been released that an experiment has determined that wavefunctions do indeed, “describe the reality of quantum entities’ existence and dynamic trajectory.” What this means in very basic terms is that the quantum woo-meisters like Deepak Chopra have lost their ability to use quantum mechanics to spew their woo. They were banking on mysteries and unknowns that might support their case. Some of you may remember “Bruce” who came here to sell his quantum woo book. He was unable or unwilling to put into his own words, what the quantum woo was all about – and frankly, that’s because it’s complicated, and he may not have really understood it. In any case, he will now have to remove a few chapters, I suppose…..

      These experiments will have to be duplicated and repeated to cast this in stone, but that looks to be inevitable. Today the woo-meisters lost yet another round. Google: “Quantum twisted Loong confirms the physical reality of wavefunctions”

  • Neale has posted a new blog topic.

  • Unconditional

    Regarding the contextual field being the reason we and God together decided to have this experience in time-space… has anyone come to any sort of conclusion about the discrepancy with ACIM in this one area? ACIM and CWG mostly agree on core truths, but in this matter they do not. Does God desire (not need) to experience who He is through physical experience of the opposite through us as CWG states (can Light experience itself as light without the awareness of darkness)? Or did we decide on our own to abandon oneness and God is trying to encourage us to come home?

    • Patrick Gannon

      I’ll bite.

      It seems to me you are debating whether unicorns have a blue horn, or a pink horn.

      I started ACIM (A Course in Miracles), back in my New Age days, but found it too “Christian” to bear, and stopped reading. My conclusion is that both ACIM and CwG are delusionary, given that neither has any non-subjective evidence to support it.

      The idea that humans abandoned ONEness – the Christian “fall from grace” is a nonsensical question. When were we ONE with this god? Was it in the pool of perhaps 10,000 early primates that we evolved from some 300,000 years ago when we were still more animal than human? God was ONE with those primitive people just learning to use tools? A bunch of spear-chucking early humans struggling every day to stay off the menu decided one day to chuck their ONEness god? He must not have been very helpful to them.

      “can Light experience itself as light without the awareness of darkness”

      This is an utterly ludicrous question, of course. We know what light is comprised of – photons. We know all the properties of photons – mass (none), charge (none), spin, etc. and we know exactly what photons can and cannot do. There is no property, state or “degree of freedom” as scientists refer to, that includes a happy/sad or ONEness state, or Awareness state, or we’d know it by now. Photons do not, can not, have conscious awareness. Neale is a panpsychist who believes god is in all things – but he’s been completely debunked with the closing of the first chapter of the standard mode/core theory of physics.

      However, the simple answer is that unicorns have blue horns.

      • Unconditional

        Thanks for replying, Patrick, I think we’re coming from different perspectives.
        Given your perspective – the tangible, observable physical world, you are correct. My question is purely metaphysical, and by “light” I’m not referring at all to photons (or waves). I’m wondering if anyone has any input on the non-physical unicorns?

        • Patrick Gannon

          What does “metaphysical” mean in this context, then? Imaginary? A thought experiment? A hypothetical?

          Aren’t you asking why your imaginary, invisible being that lives in the sky was abandoned by humans, while Neale suggests that his imaginary, invisible being that lives in the sky created us for its own selfish purposes and we simply forgot he existed?

          • Unconditional

            Lol, I think this is a case of “never the twain shall meet.” It sounds like you believe that what is non-physical (metaphysical) is imaginary (not real), but to me, the physical is what is not “real” but is rather a projection from a greater reality apart from time-space. However, the last thing I wish to do is to try convince you that my perspective is better than yours – it is definitely not, it’s just another perspective. What you believe is “right” for you and you will have lots of evidence to back it up because it’s the reality you’ve chosen to create 🙂

          • Patrick Gannon

            I don’t “believe” anything if I can possibly help it. Rather than “believe in” I prefer to “think that.”

            ” the physical is what is not “real” but is rather a projection from a greater reality apart from time-space”

            Provide some kind of non-subjective evidence for that and you’ll have my attention. It’s not just another perspective – it’s a denial of the laws of physics. Saying that “What you believe is “right” for you and you will have lots of evidence to back it up because it’s the reality you’ve chosen to create,” is just another way of saying you have no evidence to back up your own beliefs, right?