An Open Letter to Our World:
UNDERSTANDING ROBIN’S DEATH;
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND REV. JENKINS

(UPDATED AUG 11)

My Dear Brothers and Sisters on this Journey of the Soul…

I want to comment about two things in this letter, please. First, the shocking news of the death of Robin Williams on Aug. 11 in what was labeled in early media reports as an apparent suicide.

Second, a recent news story about a Christian pastor at a Baptist church in Tampa, Florida, the Rev. T.W. Jenkins, and the teachings of that church in general, as Pastor Jenkins understand them…regarding God, and What God Wants.

I joined millions in finding myself deeply saddened by the news of Robin Williams’ departure for this life. Like so many of you, my life was made richer for Robin Williams having been here. And not just for his comedy, either. The expansiveness of his talent was evidenced in films like Goodwill Hunting and Dead Poet’s Society.

Many people find it hard to believe that another could end their own life — and especially a person who seems to have all the things that the rest of us dream of. Yet having such things is no guarantee that a person cannot or will not be depressed. And it is easier to understand how the desire to end one’s life can overtake someone — no matter how well their life may seem to be going — when we realize that…

“…a person living with depression does not always have the same thoughts as a healthy person. This chemical imbalance can lead to the person not understanding the options available to help them relieve their suffering.

“Many people who suffer from depression report feeling as though they’ve lost the ability to imagine a happy future, or remember a happy past. Often they don’t realize they’re suffering from a treatable illness, and seeking help may not even enter their mind.

“Emotions and even physical pain can become unbearable. They don’t want to die, but it’s the only way they feel their pain will end. It is a truly irrational choice. Suffering from depression is involuntary, just like cancer or diabetes, but it is a treatable illness that can be managed.”

The above information is from the website www.SAVE.org, where you will find insights about this tragic circumstance that could save another’s life. I found it very worthwhile to visit this site.

And may I offer a warning, please? If you know of a person who in your experience seems periodically seriously depressed, please take note if they are also using alcohol or drugs on a regular basis. Says the SAVE website:

“Alcohol is a depressant, so it can and often does make depression worse. Drug use alone or in combination with alcohol use for someone suffering with depression can be lethal. Too often people attempt to alleviate the symptoms of depression by drinking or using drugs which can increase the risk of suicide by impairing judgment and increasing impulsivity.”

Try to get them to seek help with this major challenge, if there is any way that you can. I was surprised to learn that, according to SAVE: “The majority of the people who take their lives (estimated at 90%) were suffering with an underlying mental illness and substance abuse problem at the time of their death.”

Of course, we all understand that those who commit suicide are suffering from some form of mental illness (i.e., severe depression, etc.) at the time of their death, or, one presumes, they wouldn’t have taken their own lives. But also a substance abuse problem? I knew, I suspected, that this number was high, but I wouldn’t have guessed that it stood at 90%.

In Mr. Williams’ case, he made no secret of his own addition to alcohol and drugs. He openly acknowledged his ongoing struggle with these substances. And his publicist said in a statement that he was dealing, once again, as he had before, with severe depression in recent months.

But now let’s look at the spiritual aspect of all this — not just in Mr. Williams’ life, but in the lives of all of us. People have been asking me about this.

The CWG book HOME WITH GOD in a Life That Never Ends devotes a fair amount of space to the question of suicide. It offers hope on several fronts.

First, it makes it clear that God does not “punish” the souls of those who end their own lives. Says God in this dialogue: “Comfort may come from knowing that the person who has committed suicide is all right. They are okay. But they will not have achieved what they set out to do. That is important for anyone who is contemplating suicide to know.”

Gods goes on to explain: “A wish to avoid that which is painful is normal. It is all part of the human dance. However, in this particular moment of that dance a person is trying to push herself or himself away from something that the soul has come to the body to experience, not to escape.”

God says those who end their lives will not elude the situation they were seeking to avoid—“nor do you wish to, because you have created your creations in order to recreate yourself. It will not benefit you, therefore, to attempt to sidestep them.”

So, says this powerful dialogue, “what you die with, you will continue to live with.” But the wonderful thing is that you will not experience this as painful. “I want you to be very clear here,” the dialogue goes on. “You will encounter yourself on the other side of death, and all the stuff you carried with you will still be there. Then you will do the most ironic thing. You will give yourself another physical life in which to deal with what you did not deal with in your most recent one.”

The good news is that you will not see this as a “punishment” or a “requirement” or a “burden,” because you will understand it to all be part of the process of self-creation, for which you exist. So you will actually be glad to return to the situation, and this time work it out in a way that further advances your soul’s evolution.

To use an example, it is like a dancer who stumbles and falls, but loves to dance so much that, even though the fall may have hurt a little, the dancer can’t wait to get up and go at it again.

I do not mean but the use of that example to make light of the intense emotional or physical pain that some people feel, which motivates them to end their life, but it does offer us a simile that might allows us to feel into what the soul of people who end their own life feels, and why they would decide, once on “the other side,” not to avoid what they thought they might elude, but rather, to return to physicality and experience life all over again, this time moving through it in a different way.

Normally, death is a tool with which the soul creates a new and different life. “Suicide is the use of death to create the same life all over again, with the same challenges and experiences,” the Home with God dialogue said.

So I know that the soul of Robin Williams is already happily planning to return to physicality and face the same challenges that he was confronting when he left, but this time in different way. By this process his soul will, in a sense, exuberantly pick up where it left off, then to continue on its eternal and joyous journey.

I wish — and I know we all wish — him Godspeed and God’s blessing on his travels through all the corridors of Time and Space. He gave us all so much joy, and I know that joy will be returned to him sevenfold, even as he faces the same challenges again and changes course in how he deals with them.

Now, please…on to that story about the Baptist church in Tampa.

In connection with that, I want to talk about Love. And Compassion. And Mercy. And Forgiveness. All of which I thought were qualities of a Christian life. Then, a few days ago, Rev. Jenkins set me to wondering about that. Could I have been wrong about God? Or could I have simply misunderstood how love and compassion, mercy and forgiveness fit into God’s plan?

Let me back up here just a bit and tell you a story. It is a sad story, and you are going to find it hard to believe that it is true. But it is.

Julie Atwood, of Tampa, was standing by the side of the casket of her son, Julion Evans, at the wake following his death in early August when her cell phone rang. Answering the call, she heard the voice of her pastor, Rev. Jenkins. Julie had been baptized at the New Hope Missionary Baptist Church as a child, and several of her family members still worshipped there. It seemed natural to hold her son’s funeral there, in this House of God.

So the service had been arranged, and was to take place on the following day. A host of Julion’s relatives and friends were made aware of the time and place, and many planned to attend.

Then came the phone call as Julie stood at the side of her son’s casket during the wake. Inopportune as the time was, Rev. Jenkins couldn’t possibly have known that, Julie must have thought as she heard his voice. He’s probably calling to talk about some last minute arrangements for the next day’s service. Was there anything special she wanted him to say?, she imagined he might ask.

But that was not why the Rev. Jenkins was calling. He was calling to call off the funeral. It could not be held at his church, he said. Why-ever not?, Julie asked, frantically. Had there been a fire, a plumbing problem?, she must have wondered.

There was a problem, alright, but the problem had nothing to do with the church building. The pastor told Julie that he could not allow her son’s funeral service to take place in his church the next afternoon because her son was gay. Her son’s obituary, published in the newspaper, had brought that fact to public attention. A man named Kendall Capers was named in the obituary as “husband.”

The Reverend Jenkins said he had no choice but to cancel the funeral. Julie had to leave the wake and try to find some place where the funeral might be held on less than 24 hours notice.

Kendall Capers told the news media about all of this. He said he felt the public should know. I agree with him.

Mr. Capers said that he and Julion were partners for 17 years, and were married last year in Maryland. Julion died at home after a four-year battle with a rare illness which destroys organs in the body — Amyloidosis. The couple’s relationship and marriage were not hidden.

“Everyone who knew us knew about our relationship,” he said. “We didn’t keep secrets.”

When the media contacted the Reverend Jenkins, the comment he offered was this: “Based on our preaching of the scripture, we would have been in error to allow the service in our church. I try not to condemn anyone’s lifestyle, but at the same time I am a man of God and have to stand on my principles.”

My dear sisters and brothers, this brings up a huge question for me. Does Rev. Jenkins refuse to conduct funeral services for others whom he would have to consider, according to his preaching of Scripture, to be sinners? Is anyone, for that matter, without sin in the eyes of the Lord?

I want to ask all Christians everywhere: Was it Jesus who said, “Let those who are without sin among you cast the first stone…” ? Did I get that quotation from Scripture right?

I am personally not willing to go to a place where I hold that God feels homosexuality is a sin, but let us say that someone does believe that. Does this mean that even a sinner does not deserve a dignified funeral in the House of the Lord?

If you would like to let this congregation and its minister know how you feel about this decision — whether in support of it, or to offer your hope that a different decision in similar circumstances might be made in the future — here is the church’s contact information:

New Hope Missionary Baptist Church
3005 E Ellicott St, Tampa, FL 33610
(813) 236-3611

The church’s Facebook page, where you may also leave a comment, may be found here:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Hope-Baptist-Church/638296176239304?rf=111636415538246

It feels important to me, if our world is ever going to heal itself, ever going to embrace a New Cultural Story, that we stand up and speak — gently, and with love; compassionately and with understanding; but openly, and with clarity — in the face of what we consider to be that which no longer represents who we, as a species, choose to be. And, as well, if we support choices and actions about which we are made aware.

Many people do support Rev. Jenkins in his decision. I respect his choice, and his right to make it. I do not agree with it, and I experience the timing of it to be sadly insensitive (more than one friend of the deceased showed up at the church, not having been able to be gotten ahold of to hear of the sudden movement to the new location that was miraculously found, and so, they missed the chance to say this special goodbye, in God’s House).

And so, at this writing, I invite us all to send God’s love, flowing to us and through us, to Robin Williams, to his beloved family, to Rev. Jenkins and all who love him, to Julion Evans and all who loved him, and to all in our world as we each seek to find our way along this remarkable evolutionary journey of our soul.

As Tiny Tim said: God bless us all, everyone.

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  • Lloyd Bradsher

    This is a great example of how organized religion is destroying our world with false ideals and beliefs. Love one another, judge not least yea be judged, God is Love, do unto others, so many more uplifting ideals to follow, it is unacceptable that only those that harm another is picked out and held up as righteous. Again religion is more about keeping us separated from one another than showing us how to tear down the walls that we build in our illusion that we can protect ourselves from each other. So love Mr. Jenkins and his followers for their ignorance and speak your truth about your understanding of Unconditional Love. Namaste’
    Butch

  • Stephen mills

    This is a prime example of Organised Religion eating itself and being self obsessed with the word of an infalible God with no room for freedom and unconditional love .If it refuses to change it will become irrelevent and become obsolete .

  • Debra O’Bryant Haworth

    This type of judgement upon others is a byproduct of organized religion. It separates and glories in self righteousness. This attitude is driving people away and that’s a good thing in my opinion. It’s time for a new story, one that uplifts and has us recognize our Divinity, each and every one of us on this planet we share. One people, equal in God’s Love.

  • In our ever evolving world this is becoming an increasingly minority viewpoint that will eventually be drowned out in the new cultural story as you like to call it.

    The noise you hear about this is a really a dying concept that some are trying to hold onto & they will eventually have to let go. That time is coming sooner than they would like & therefore more noise is being made until their silence is created out of a new story that is coming into being.

    As sad as this may seem (and it is sad) it’s an indication of an end of an era of primitive rigid dogmatic beliefs. Not the complete end yet, but soon to be, eventually.

  • chell

    I’m deeply saddened and felt sorry for the husband and family of Julion being denied of his supposed to be “last” rites where they would expect finding love and comfort not only within their relatives and friends but more especially in the house of worship or the house of God. I pray that Rev. Jenkins will be enlightened and no such intolerance will happen again. I pray also for strength for Julion’s family to get through this sad event in their life.

  • The Reverend: “I try not to condemn anyone’s life style, but I’m a man of God” -which therefore implies (by way of the Reverend’s personal “understanding” of Who God Is) there are times when man AND God have to put their foot down and #condemn man.

  • Patrick Gannon

    He must have gotten Mark 11:12-25 wrong. God hates figs!

  • Blake

    Let there be a New Gospel for all the people of
    Earth: “We are all one. Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way.”

    Blessings

  • Mr. Homebody

    The more I read yours messages Mr. Walsch, the more I realize how depressing Conversations with God are. Technically speaking all these people so unhappy or suffering that they decided to end their life, will condemn themselves to go through all of this again and again and again. This is some kind of masochistic (or sadistic depending how you look at this) circle of never ending agony.

    There was a time when I wanted to commit a suicide. I didn’t do that and it turned out to be good decision for me. However I understand now how it is to feel so much unhappiness that someone prefer to simply not to be. And even if someone end his life I don’t belive he will have to torment himself over and over again.

    But of course it is decision made by this enigmatic part of us called “soul”. Yet it seems to me that the “soul” is some kind of cruel or cold-hearted creature.

    (I’m sorry for any grammatical errors. English is not my native language).

    • Michael

      A truly valid point Mr Homeboy. I’m glad you wrote this. And I too, would challenge those words from Home With God. You would think at least the “soul” would simply try a different route the next time around or something altogether different. Where is the Love in this? What this describes sounds like torture!

      • Sander Viergevert

        ok ok. good point you both make… I get your both points very well. But let’s we say this, have you ever had for 10 years long in your life no any difficult times, days or….
        the love is that you should Always look to find the gift in what is happening in your live. but be realistic – you can’t Always have a good day. your soul is searching to have evolution is its consciousness and sometimes it are just the stepping stones which hurt us….. but if you can see the magnificient gift in your pain – I will tell you, you will experience it as not pain anymore.
        Conversations with God tells us that how you feel about something is what is true for you… And states that nothing is good or bad just from itself. Life is about what does and what does-not work, given it is what you are trying to accomplish

      • NealeDonaldWalsch

        My dear friends….With the deepest respect for your point of view, I appreciate you allowing me to share mine. What I got from these passages in Home With God with regard to those who end their own life is that: (1) the Soul is very happy, and will not, and never be, punished by God for ending their life; (2) The Soul cannot wait to have the opportunity for a “do over.” This is because the Soul understands that the purpose of all of life is to reach Completion on the Journey of the Soul—which is experienced in every moment when the highest thought of Divinity held by any living being is expressed. Doing something over is not “torture,” it is the END of torture, by allowing the Soul a “make over,” an opportunity to shift their response to any life experience in a way that alters the very experience itself.

        This is not something that happens only with those who end their own lives. This is something that happens in the experience of all of us, including those of us who die “naturally.” When we celebrate our Continuation Day, we are given a chance to return to this physical life—this time encountering the same challenges all of us face in all of our lives, but responding to them in a different way. This is the very process by which the Soul evolves.

        And evolution is not torture, it is the joyous, wondrous experience of the Soul more and more grandly experiencing itself. If you have ever in your life worked, and worked hard, at learning something, and then one day achieved mastery, you know the joy of this achievement.

        The Soul would not WANT to “at least try a different route.” That would defeat the whole purpose of the physical life experience. What the Soul would seek to do is take the SAME route in a different WAY. Now THAT is mastery!

        This is my understanding of what has been imparted to us in Home With God. There is nothing “cruel” or “cold-hearted” in this. I can’t tell you the number of times even in my own life when I handled things badly, hurt another’s feelings deeply, damaged another’s life in a major way. I have felt deep regret about all those moments and decisions. But I have been told, “There are no do-overs.” Yet death gives us — all of us — the chance for a do-over. This, as I said, is called “evolution.”

        It is good that God made this process clear, however, so that no one may feel encouraged to end their life as a means of escaping their situation. They will not escape it, but face it again. That is important information for us to have, don’t you think?

        Lovingly….Neale.

        • Michael

          Okay thats helpful information and I did not come to that conclusion. Could one conclude that suicide is a legitimate and advantageous option given this information? From where I’m standing I have to ask, Why wait another moment suffering when one can just hit the restart button, thereby forcing the soul to perceive the experience differently and therefore experience the experience differently the next time around. I mean, is there any advantage to suicide, at all, ever? I realize that is a broad question and I can think of a few examples where it may be advantageous. perhaps you could clarify the question and provide a suggestion.

          • Michael

            Ohhhhh I think I just noticed a little something here.

            “If you have ever in your life worked, and worked hard, at learning
            something, and then one day achieved mastery, you know the joy of this achievement.”

            So what we are talking about here are skills that can sometimes take, not just a long time in human terms but a long time in the eyes of the soul, ie: many many lifetimes to master these particular skills. Thats a perspective I hadn’t spent any real time with before. Is that how difficult this thing called Life actually is?

          • Patrick Gannon

            Sounds too much like focusing on the destination instead of the journey to me. Evolution of the consciousness or soul, if such exists, more likely occurs along the journey. Focusing on a destination leads to fear of failure – note the requirement to do it over and over again till we get there – wherever or whatever “there” is – all very religious sounding.

            Focusing on the journey leads to growth and evolution. Focusing on the destination leads to fear of failure. Dan Millman’s “The Way of the Peaceful Warrior” does a good job of describing this. I read the book so long ago I don’t remember how it ends, but the movie ends with: “Where are you?” “Here.” “What time is it?” “Now. Does anything else really matter? Who are we to question Robin William’s journey and his “here” and “now” decisions? From Fox News to Neale Donald Walsch, it seems people are questioning his choice of paths on his own personal journey.

            And things get a bit sticky with regard to what we mean by “a long time.” Is “time” meaningful outside this physical matter reality? Is there a master clock somewhere that ticks much faster than ours; and if so what is beyond that? Who is to say that there is a destination? Who has the right to question the side paths someone takes on their own journey?

            Bon voyage, Robin Williams.

          • Patrick Gannon

            One more thought regarding Williams. Perhaps the laughter got to be too much. Have you ever noticed that we laugh at things that hurt? If you look at almost anything that gives you a really good belly laugh, you’ll find hurt in there somewhere. Ever since I became aware of that, I get a little ‘twinge’ of regret or guilt or some emotion I’m not sure I can name when I break out into loud laughter, because it means I’m probably laughing at someone else’s hurt.

            Why do we laugh? We laugh because it hurts so damn much, and laughter is the only thing that will stop the hurt. A “funny” thing is never funny to the person it happens to. “The goodness is in the laughter itself. It is a bravery, and a sharing, against pain and sorrow and defeat.” Perhaps Williams released so much of our pain and sorrow and defeat, taking it into himself such that he was filled up and didn’t have room for any more. To insist that he needs a do-over is not something I can buy into.

            Credits: I learned this from Robert Heinlein.

        • Patrick Gannon

          “What I got from these passages in Home With God…”

          “This is my understanding of what has been imparted to us in Home With God…”

          “It is good that God made this process clear…”

          Neale, you say these words as though you didn’t write the words yourself. Surely you understand that your books come from a discussion with yourself, aided perhaps by a stream of consciousness that provided insight; but the ultimate product is the result of your personal experiences, perceptions, beliefs, culture, etc. I cringe when you refer to your books almost as though they were a second New Testament straight from the hand of an anthropomorphic God.

          I’m sorry but I just can’t help seeing the vestiges of Christian fear in some of what you write Neale. You talk of a make-over or do-over, which implies that the person failed and religion, indeed our culture, teaches us to be fearful of failure. That’s why Christians insist on salvation even though there’s no need for it.

          I like Michael’s point that if the soul is so anxious for a do-over, then why not hit the reset button now? It’s the best thing I can do for my computer when it’s all bollixed up; is it perhaps the best thing for the “soul?”

          Your books were very important to me. They provided a path for my personal evolution after I read the bible cover to cover a few times and realized my entire childhood was based on lies that left me unnecessarily quite frightened and unhappy. Back in those days I would have taken my life if I hadn’t been afraid of Bible God’s punishment. Today there’s no fear to run from, but if I chose to end my life for some reason, I wouldn’t stop because I might have to do a do-over. If it turns out that way, so what? I have all of eternity, right? What’s the problem?

          Like Progressive Christianity (Christian Light), your books provide a migratory path from greater fear to lesser fear and you are to be hailed for that; but I think that to assume that you or any other human has the final answers is probably something nobody, including yourself, should do, and with deepest respect, that’s how you sometimes come across to me in the way you reference your material as though it came from some supernatural source and was not a product of who and what YOU are or have become.

          I grant that it is possible that things work exactly as you have described, but it’s just as possible (a 50/50 coin toss) that there’s nothing beyond this existence. It’s also possible that there is a cruel and vindictive Bible God out there who plays us like puppets for his personal amusement, but having read the bible and a bit of history, I know that’s pretty unlikely. Agnosticism is the only thing that makes sense to me. Open minded skepticism that seeks knowledge and truth. That’s the path I seek, and I appreciate the way point your books provided along that path, but the path continues; at least for me.

          The viewpoint I am currently researching is whether we have individuated consciousness that are evolving not through death as you proposed, but through our intent to bring love, peace, harmony, etc. to others, so we’re not that far apart, but I would never refer to words I wrote myself as though they were gospel. If we feel we can no longer raise our level of consciousness here, then perhaps our job is done and it’s time to push the reset button. On the one hand it seems that you preach that we should not fear death, on the other hand you warn that bailing out early means consequences – having to do it again; and yet at the same time you say we’re anxious to do it again. Rather confusing to me. If you’re right about an immortal soul that is not punished, then what difference does it make in the long run? Why are you so dead set against suicide, unless it’s the result of your early Christian indoctrination?

          Consider the world we live in, and all the hungry starving people in the world. Wouldn’t the most selfless thing we could do be to take our own lives to free up resources for others? There is much in common between CWG and Heinlein’s “Stranger in a Strange Land” which I suspect you read at some time in the past, prior to your own books. There’s a scene where Michael, the Man From Mars, wonders why people don’t contribute their bodies to feed the poor and hungry. Wouldn’t that be the ultimate sacrifice, a real gold star for the soul?

          • Patrick Gannon

            How about the possibility that William’s suicide in particular, given his public persona, was a purposeful act by his soul or consciousness, intended to reach others and spawn discussion such as many are having as a result of his actions? His act has created a great discussion,and what could be more important than what this forum purports to offer: conversation?. Is it possible that he just passed his test by creating a situation that fosters discussion potentially benefiting many others?

        • Debra O’Bryant Haworth

          This is exactly my understanding too, it is a deep understanding that vibrates my cells as truth.

        • Flower c

          But what about those like me who are suffering a rare very rare maddening tortuous disease or rather side effect from a very minor surgery. It is preventing me from sleeping and has damaged my breathing toy the point that every breathe is tortuous. I can’t take anymore if it and I feel like I’m forced to end my life because living like this is no life. What does this all mean? I don’t want to to end my life but breathing like this is unbearable. ..

    • Patrick Gannon

      Well said, Mr. Homebody. I suppose that in the event that there is an afterlife, the viewpoint of our consciousness when unencumbered by brain and body, may be different than what we perceive in the here and now of this physical matter reality (PMR), but I too have wondered – how the Hell do I get off this train?

      If indeed, we have to keep coming back here over and over again, that does sound like masochistic torture. It’s even possible that the goal is not to avoid suicide, but to show others that it’s OK to step out of our PMR when the quality of life no longer makes any sense; and to shrug off the voices of others trying to make one feel guilty about it. We’re designed to avoid pain. Who in their right mind leaves their hand on a burning stove? How is that different from continuing to suffer from a burning depression? The assumption is that the drugs make the situation worse, but perhaps an individual who was not self medicating would have left long ago. Would that be better? Perhaps. Nobody really knows.

      It’s entirely possible that Walsch has it completely backwards. I’m not saying he does, but we simply don’t know, and what seems to me to be Christian-based judgemental conjecture about leaving PMR prematurely, should be taken with a big grain of salt. Perhaps when viewed in an afterlife perspective, it’s all different, but if the perspective of my consciousness or soul is the same as it is in this PMR – I’m ready to get off the train when this ride is over. I’m not planning to leave prematurely at this point, but should I decide to do so, I won’t be swayed by someone trying to make me feel like I’ve failed a test that I must take over and over again till I pass. Perhaps Robin Williams actually graduated, having filled the world with joy and laughter; perhaps his mission was accomplished and it was time to go home.

      It’s important as well to understand that Walsch’s description of the souls that repeat life, battling depression or whatever, until they manage to avoid killing themselves, is just his guess; just his interpretation based on his belief systems. I am willing to assume a possible ‘stream of consciousness’ that may have provided inspiration for Walsch’s books – particularly the first ones (it all seems so commercial now), but they are just his inspirations, his perceptions as formed by his experience, knowledge and beliefs. Everything he has written should not be taken as literal truth. He mentions Moses and Jesus in his books, and we know today that there was no Moses, and Jesus was probably a conglomeration of various “messiahs” who were prevalent at the time. It’s unlikely that there was a real Jesus; but even if there was, we know nothing of him except the myths in the old book. Ancient historians wrote of some of these other messiah characters, but not of Jesus, so it’s unlikely there really was a “Jesus” character, and more likely that Jesus was a product of Paul’s imagination when he created the blueprint for a new religion. In any event I’m reminded of Paul’s visions of Jesus, wherein Jesus forgot to tell him about evolution, given Paul’s belief that sin entered the world through one man, Adam; and Jesus’ failure to tell Paul that, “No, I won’t be back within a generation,” as Paul insisted. “God” apparently forgot to tell Neale that there was no real Moses. In Chapter 2 of CWG, Walsch says, “The Bible writers were great believers and great historians.” They may have been believers – one of the worst things one can do is “believe” rather than seek to “know,” as it halts forward progress, but they sure weren’t very good historians. The story as written, is ludicrous and has no basis in fact; and let’s not even get started on all the contradictions.

      I got the feeling reading Walsch’s books that he believed in the Moses, and therefore the Exodus, and why not? I was raised to believe it was a real event too; but we know today that it wasn’t, and thus, the entire foundation of the bible is based on shifting dunes of salt and sand. “Moses” appears to have been “borrowed” by the Jews from earlier civilizations when they wrote their own “history” as a means of identifying (and separating) themselves. Walsch, it seems to me, when he wrote CWG was strongly influenced by his Christian beliefs and he continually speaks of “God” in such anthropomorphic terms that, in my mind, he perpetuates the myth of a “personal” God. Perhaps it is time to switch to more scientific terms and consider whether what we’re really talking about is ‘consciousness’ rather than God. The jury is still out, of course, but evidence continues to mount that evolving consciousness is at the core of all that is. I think,in any case,that it’s a better term than “God” since it doesn’t include all that religious baggage.

      Sorry for the long ramble. My point is that Walsch is not necessarily correct in his viewpoint about suicide, and people should look into themselves for answers; and if your answer is to leave, then don’t let anyone make you feel guilty or afraid of consequences like coming back again and again till you get it right. The consequence thing, is simply Christian fear; the basis upon which the religion is built. If it’s time to go, then put your affairs in order and leave.

      After all there’s a 50/50 chance that there’s no afterlife anyway.

      • Michael

        I’ve had similar thoughts on this matter, and I enjoyed reading your perspective so thanks a million for taking the time to write it. It takes a little more than a small amount of courage to say what ones feels is their own true perspective. I must say though, that, given the delicate nature of this subject of choosing to end one’s life, I truly hope that there is only a very mature audience reading your posting above. One that is capable of critical thinking. I must ask, If perspective produces an experience of an objective phenomena, Is it easier then to change ones perspective than it is to end ones life?

        • Patrick Gannon

          Thanks Michael. If Walsch and others who preach the immortality of the soul are correct, then it doesn’t matter. There’s all of eternity to get it right. No harm, no foul. Get back on the train. This is one reason I have mixed feelings about capital punishment. If you have a criminal with a tortured immortal soul, then sending it back for healing seems like a good idea. What’s to be gained from rotting in a cell for decades till you die? I’d most certainly attempt to take myself out of that situation. Being locked up seems the greater evil to me.

          If this life is all there is, and there ain’t no more, then cutting the experience short also has no meaning in the grand scheme of things; and in fact the materialists are right and everything was predestined at the Big Bang and we have zero real control over our lives. I find this unlikely, but of course, quite possible.

          The only way suicide (or so it seems to me) is a real issue, is if the religionists are right – that there’s a gruesome Bible God character out there who will punish us for ending the suffering he inflicted us with. If one believes that, they are unlikely to kill themselves, or so it would seem to me. Anyway, every individual is responsible for themselves – at least adults reading this.

  • Michael

    Sad news on both fronts. Depression certainly does place one in a very strange world. On a lighter note, if “you become what you judge”, Reverend Jenkins, sure is in store for a Gay Old Time!

  • Sander Viergevert

    so if you join a church, just write a letter if something has been said or spoken in preaching in your church, which does not comply with your inner truth. Well I do this, it is the only way to create a New Cultural Story for tomorrow. talk with others members of the church about these points and acts of the church , with which you do not agree with, and write together the church a letter.

  • Lloyd Bradsher

    Why could Robin Williams not love Creator within himself enough to save that spark of genus which so many loved? Had he not seen Creator within himself, or within his daughter or loved ones, and know the illusion of spiritual pain? We tell ourselves Love heals all, but not all of us know Love, and during my quiet moments with past depressions all centered around what I perceived as being unworthy of love. Self judgments kept Creator within from my vision of that existence, that truth, from shining into my understanding and acceptance of Self. Creator is within us all, in all things, and all existence has value, worth, and meaning. So let the Love of Creator within shine forth so all can see themselves within you, find peace within you, and a brother and sister of loving existence. Robin will be missed, but now he understands and rejoices in the Love he sought during his physical existence. Namaste’
    Butch

  • The #biting irony of a comedic genius who gave so much JOY to the Planet & yet in his darkest hour could not find any for himself. My question to Neale (or God, Whoever’s not busy!) Do you believe #suicide (generally speaking) is connected to a major Cosmic #disconnect in one’s life?

  • lamontstephenson

    Robin Williams was a comic genius that brought laughter and joy to millions of people over the years. It was sad to hear of his sudden death. My prayers are with his family, friends and fans around the world. Upon hearing what happen it made me think that if we as people have something on our minds or are depressed or going through anything, don’t keep it in. Talk to someone about what’s going on. Whether it’s family, close friend, pastor, whoever. Don’t be afraid of what people may think or say. Just talk it out and express what’s going on inside so that you can get the help and encouragement you need to make it through. We all at some point need help with things and we all should be willing and open to help and listen to each other. Now in regards to Pastor Jenkins I respect his decision but I don’t agree with it. The Church should be the biggest example of showing love and forgiveness because it represents God who is love. No matter what a person done or has done they are still people who deserve love. Now I’m quite sure when it came to asking for donations for the church it didn’t matter who donated or what life style they lived in order to help the church. So why should it matter what kind Of lifestyle someone lived to determine whether or a funeral service should be held there. I think that’s why church membership is getting smaller and smaller. Cause people are starting to awaken to the fact that the Church may say it’s representing God but not showing it with their actions and to me that’s a absolute shame. May God continue to bless each and everyone of us.

  • Ruerd Visser

    Having lost a girl friend to suicide, aswel as other people in my life. I can’t help but wonder, wether we need to rethink our approach concerning people who consider this. Or are at risk of taking their own life. Personally i came close to take my own life too. And it seems it’s just not fair to try to force someone to stay alive. Just like that, without taking in account how someone feels or thinks at such a time. Too many people either shy away, or litteraly try to force someone to go on. Without any due concern for a persons feelings, thoughts or state of mind. Which means prolonging a suicidal persons suffering. Like we get to decide for them, instead of letting them decide for themselves. Sounds too much like blackmailing a person. Without further concern for their own feelings and thoughts at the time. Gues way too many people zone out when there’s a risk of suicide. Causing all kind of responses, that are often neither helpfull or healing. I can understand there is often some sort of instinctive response at play. But really suicidal people deserve to be taken serieus. They should have the right to express their own feelings and thoughts. To make their own desc isions. Instead of being pressed into service by the you should stay alive team. So what is the more enlightened point of view on suicide. If not allowing someone to make a conscious choice bout it. Whether or not to stay alive. Even when it’s just the option to leave this world open. People often think of the awfull ways people end their own lives. Think of it in horror. But is that not due to the you should stay alive team. Thinking that if we make it harder for people to end their live. It will stop them from doing so. Which is clearly not the case. So why not leave them a dignified wayto end their live, should they choose to do so. Instead of all the horrible ways they resort to, such as jumping in front of trains, from buildings, hanging themselves. Why not allow people a more dignified and easier way out. Maybew that would alieviate much suffering. From both the suicidal person aswell as their loved ones. As it seems clearly trying to force people to stay alive is clearly not working out. Given the number of people committing suicide anyway. In often awafull ways. Often to the horror of others. To me this whole you are suppose to live on. Seems kinda crappy when it comes to the reality that many decide to end their lives inspite of that. For the record, i just say the option should be open to end ones live in a more dignified way. Then the often awefull was people resort to. That’s how i see this, as someone who has had to deal with this.

  • Erin

    Thanks, Robin…The brain & heart foods you so freely shared were Absolutely delicious.
    (‘Good Grief!’…George & Robin loose in the Universal Cosmology…at the same time!!! OMG!!!):D
    As for you, T.W….Blessings…may you be gifted a time/event that brings finer Understanding of Love.<3
    Namaste'…"All for one & One for All"…Always & All ways.<3